7 de octubre de 2008

"PRIDE AND PREJUDICE" (Jane Austen)

Jane Austen (1775-1817) is one of the greatest English women novelists. This, her most popular novel, features the novelists´favourite heroine, Elizabeth Bennet, and most women´s favourite hero, Mr. Darcy.
We know that all our students will enjoy the novel so please join in with your comments!

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Raquel de Luis dijo...

Rebeca you are right, now we have no time to write (except by Internet). I haven't read Mrs. Gardiner's letter, actually I am in holidays so I will do it in the travel to come back (it will take me 7 hours).

I would like to point out something about Eliza's behaviour. Maybe she was afraid about future, and she didn't want to realize her feelings towards Mr. Darcy or whoever other man. Now that she knows her future with him maybe interrupted because of her sister, she is regreting her own manners. Don't you agree?

Greetings from Finland

Itziar 4A dijo...

"She (Mrs Bennet) was more alive to the disgrace which her want of new clothes must reflect on her daughter's nuptials, than to any sense of shame at her eloping and living with Wickham a fornight before they took place". This sentence summarizes Mrs Bennet's toughts and way of being perfectly. As some of you have said, Mrs Bennet lives in her world, which is completely different to the real world. We can perceive the distance between Mr and Mrs bennet one more time. Mr Bennet has nothing to do with his wife and Mrs Bennet has nothing to do with him. And although this is not the idea of a perfect marriage, there are a lot of couples who get marry because of "that's what we have to do", I'm afraid. The clever husband and he fool wife... It's a topic but we still see it nowadays

marta dijo...

Raquel, it is wonderful that you are posting from Finland! Yes I see your point, Lizzy is not really sure of her feelings neither with Wickham nor with Darcy, well more with Darcy she hates him. It is when she sees his change at Pemberly and when she sees Pemberly too, let´s face it, that she starts to value him. Something that Charlotte told her at the Netherfield ball.
Itziar, who get married. It is true the clever husband with the foolish pretty wife. It is still so today why do men always fall for the same pattern? Mr. Bennet has also got faults, he wants books and no problems and that is not the best way to look after your family! They are wild partly because he does not want to be troubled by them.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

It is true that Mrs. Bennet is a foolish woman, but actually she always looks after her daughters (even if sometimes her advices to them are not the best).
Mr. Bennet, on the contrary, is a clever but also a selfish man. He has never been worried about the girls, and now he is getting the consequences. He deserves feeling bad with himself, as he does.

marta dijo...

Raquel you are absolutely right, Mrs.Bennet worries more about her daughters´ future, Mr. Bennet doesn´t as he does not have the problem as it will only appear after his death!

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Hello. I´ve just seen you have been in Finland, Raquel, and that you have been able to write from there! I´ve been also abroad this long weekend, but nearer than you have. Though I couldn´t write here, I have tried to practise English with Italian people; however, it has been a bit difficult, since neraly everybody understood Spanish language. Nevertheless, when you are abroad, you realise how important and usefull is to speak English. Have we had more opportunities, I´m sure Spanish people would leave Spain in order to discover the european contries.

Anyway, it is time to speak about Pride and Perjudice. According to it, I´d like to focus the next idea which belong to a later comment. It´s about future´s fear, I mean, the comment says that our characters could be afraid of future, and specially LIzzy, And I think it could be true.

On the other hand, and after watching the second part of the film, we have seen how clever Charlotte has been by getting married with Mr Collins, but, will she be happy? I hope she be contempt at least.

Pilar 4A dijo...

It is true, as you say, that Mrs. Bennet take care of her daughters. But in my opinion Mr. Bennet should not allow Lydia marrying Wickham because in this way Lydia gets what she wants and I think Lydia need to be educated in a way that she can not have everything she wants. For that reason I think it would be clever for Mr. Bennet to obliged her to go on retirement from society for a while. This decision is very drastic but being Lydia as she is nowadays, it is the only way to carry her through the right way.
What do you think?

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

I don´t agree with you, Pilar, since if Mr. Darcy has taken part in this affair (with not other target that help Lizzy), I suppose the best option is Lydia get married with Mr. Wickham. However, I think Lydia has grown up as a very whimsical girld, but do you really belive she is still on time for changing her behaviour?.

On the other hand, and answering your question, I think that taking Lydia from Longbourn for a while is a good idea.

Roberto dijo...

Hello,

It is many days since I posted my last comment, meanwhile, I have enjoyed reading your opinions concerning Lizzy’s doubts and mistakes, the peculiar living together between Mr and Mrs Bennet being a very interesting issue of discussion as well.

Elizabeth is in a hurry, as you wisely have already said. Proud THAT she is, Lizzy is anxious to see Mr. Darcy coming back to her arms even though it is herself who ought to pursue such merchandise.

Quite often have I considered Mrs Bennet to be foolish, however, she is practical and worried about what it is of the most importance for her family: having her daughters married. Do not forget they all will have no shelter to betake themselves to after Mr. Bennet’s death unless any of the misses get married properly. On the other hand, witty as the latter is, one gets disappointed with his failure both in bringing up his daughters and in caring for their future. What a paradox!

marta dijo...

Pilar, takes care, careful with the s.Mr.Bennet not allow Lydia to marry MR.Wickham, Lydia needs to be brought up. CAREFUL with the s. She is in time to change.
I don´t think that letting her go to Longbourn was a good idea, if someone is wild you must look after them not give them more freedom.
Rebeca, what a pity about Italy, however travelling is a fantastic experience. I don´t quite understand what you mean about being afraid of the future. Lizzy certainly is not or she wouldn´t have rejected two elegible husbands.
Roberto a very wise comment as usual. I agree that Lizzy is head over heels for Darcy at last specially after she saw Pemberly! And who wouldn´t he is the best in the novel. Mr. Bennet is fine but he has deficiencies! Darcy very few

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Yes Marta, I should have choosen The United Kingdom for practising English, but it was too late for booking for a room there, nevertheless I´ll try it for this summer, and I´m not very sure, but I think it would be a good idea to organize a travel like this from the language school, address to the students. Would any of you join to it?.

On the other hand, I have also found Elizabeth very fond of meeting Mr. Darcy again, but I suppose that Mr. Darcy is who has the last word to say in this affair. Of course, he is in love with Lizzy, but I´m afraid he is waiting for returning to her too much. It is probably too, that Lizzy had realised her friend Charlotte had been right by taking her chance of getting married with a good man. Lizzy is probably regreted for having refusing Mr. Darcy.

Pilar 4A dijo...

I can understand Elizabeth´s feelings when she thinks about her relation with Mr. Darcy. It would have been better for her that Wickham wouldn´t marry her suster because this union will mean the total separation between her and Mr. Darcy.
Because of that I said yesterday on the blog that I would prefer Lydia not being married with Wickham. I think it is better for Elizabeth and for the whole family a wedding between Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy and more now that she is sure about her happiness with Mr. Darcy.

marta dijo...

Rebeca, to practise English,..from the language school addressed to the students.
We can´t do it it is very complicated and we can´t do anything during the term.
I suppose it is Mr. Darcy that has to...- He is waiting to return to her, that is the infinitive of purpose they don´t use the gerund. Lizzy probably regrets having refused Mr.Darcy.
I agree now she is beginning to realise that she has been stupid, she admits it herself when she says: till this moment I didn´t know myself. This is the turning point.
Pilar, that Wickham wouldn´t have married her sister. I don´t agree at all imagine having a sister who has lived with a man and not married him that indeed was a disgrace, the only possible way out was marriage! Even if that was a bad enough solution it was the only one.
Mr. Darcy wouldn´t have liked a sister-in-law, who had lived with a man unmarried that was terrible don´t look at this with the eyes and mentality of our time!

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

I didn´t want to mean that the school made that kind of activities, I know it is very difficult, but, why couldn´t us go abroad as a similar kind of activity than meeting for talking, or watching a film,...? My idea was that we, the students could organize a travel by our own. However, I also think it is very difficult to fix a date, and another somethings like those ones.

According to the novel, It´s true Lizzy wants to be with Mr. Darcy, but I´m not still sure that she were going to attempt anything to get it. In my opinion, she is a bit confused; she knows what she want, but she doesn´t know how to manage herself to do it. After Marta´s comment, I have understood why Mr. Darcy has interceded in Lydia´s wedding, however, I belive it´s a bit sad that he had done it only for preventing him from ridiculous.

marta dijo...

Rebeca, why couldn´t we go. I understood that you meant that though I thought you suggested that we organised it from the school and I said that because the French department organised a trip to France which was really good, they visited museums and monuments and everything was done from the department and paid by of course the group who went. The school didn´t pay feo anything. Then the inspector said that it couldn´t be done during the term. Your idea is good but difficult to carry out and very difficult to arrange the timing as you say.
Lizzy knows what she wants. What can Lizzy do? At that time girls had to wait for men to make the move. And of course we all think Mr. Darcy won´t want to have anything to do with her, now the family is even worse than before. It is Mr. Darcy who has to speak. Please be careful with what you disclose as the other group are two chapters behind.

Arantza 4B dijo...

I agree with you, Marta. I think that Lizzy is now sure of her love to Mr Darcy, but she has the problem of her family because after seing what Lydia has done, who is going to marry her or her sisters? In my opinion, in that time, this was a very important cause for not being married.
Fortunatelly, it has changed nowadays. Can you imagine that if our sister does something that is wrong, we would suffer the consequences?it would be horrible!

marta dijo...

Arantza, her love for..
You are right, it is much better nowadays, but before that was so. What siblins did affected the family they were ostracised or condemned. Mr.Darcy is not going to like to have Wickham for a brother-in-law either, so things are not looking well for Lizzy now that she has realised she loves Mr. Darcy, fool that she´s been to realise it so late!

Raquel de Luis dijo...

I am afraid of posting something about the novel because I have finished it. I am sorry, I couldn't stop reading. Actually, I do not know how I have been able to read it so slowly, a book for a year is too short. I regret not having read also another book of them which are proposed for the other groups.

What do you think are Lizzy's thoughts about the fact that Mr. Darcy attended her sister's wedding? When I first read this chapter, I thought that maybe she had been deceived by Darcy and Wickham. Obviusly it was a first impression, after thinking about it a bit more I arrived at more probable conclusions.

marta dijo...

Raquel, I agree with you a novel a year is not much, but how many people had read the chapters today? People don´t like reading and they don´t it is a pity but true.
Yes, Lizzy was deceived by Darcy and Wickham but it was only her fault because she believed Wickham from the beginning and hated Darcy because he said she was not handsome enough to tempt him.
I admire Jesus´self control when he managed not to read on to find out what Darcy was doing at the wedding. What do you or rather when you read it what did you think he was doing??

Roberto dijo...

I must acknowledge not having been fond of books when I was younger, however, the more I read the more content I am. I love to read and the opportunity granted to me so as to live a different life, to think about others feelings and to identify myself with characters, knowing that there are people who share similar tastes, beliefs and sentiments. Besides, you can dream while being awake. What else do you need to enjoy reading?

marta dijo...

Roberto, to think about other feelings, a slip of the finger I guess. I love what you say about reading it is absolutely true. Reading provides a new experience, the possibility of dreaming and living experiences. It is an opportunity and a very cheap one too if you come to think of it.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Roberto, I agree with you. A book gives you the opportunity to discover new landscapes which exist only in your imagination (of course they will be different for everyone even though the reading is the same). This is indeed a great privilege with regard to a film.

I think Jesus has a lot thought of the subject to reach so right a conclusion, and maybe he knows Mr. Darcy better than nobody in the class. I guess he identifies himself with the character.

Rebeca 4ªB dijo...

I agree with you all, books stimulate our imagination, and make our mind work. I belive reading is the best way for improving not only our imagination but also our knowledge about the language we were reading. And another point I consider important, it is that a writer not only has to be creative , but also to get his readers be it too.

I also agree with Raquel, it would be better to read at least two novels for year. However, reading only one, let us analyze it better, and even watch its film. Yesterday we saw another part of the film, and we finally knew Pemberly. It was bigger than I thought it would be when I met it at the book. Afterwards this part of the film, I´m more sure Lizzy won´t let Mr.Darcy get away from her arms.

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

After reading the last comments again, I´d like to add that not only is it true that books drive us to very different places, but also to identify ourselves with those ones who we have always want to be like, or even with people who live as we do. And, don´t you think they´re sometimes the closer friends we have ever had?.

Regarding Pride and Perjudice, and talking still about books and the hobby of reading, I must said that I have found strange that Lizzy had left being so keen of reading during the last chapters!At the beginning of the novel, she was performed as a very good reader, but as the novel draws on, ther have been very few quotes according to her love of reading.

And, what about the film? How did you find Mr. Darcy´s home? It looked like very nice, and, very green too!. It was the thing that most liked me about Pemberly. Hadn´t it had such vegetation, it wouldn´t have been so beatiful for me. Of course, its owner´s manners and semblance have help me to build my opinion of this wonderful village.

On the other hand, and as a big contrast with Mr. Darcy and his sister Giorgiana, we have Lydia, and her foolishness about her engagement with Mr. Wickham. I liked the girl that performes her in the film, since she acts very well like a crazy teenager who seems to have found the true love.

MAR dijo...

Answering Rebeca´s question, as we are now reading chapters 50 and 51, I have already read Mrs Gardiner´s letter. I have found that letter not clear at all, I mean, in spite of it being so long, it doesn´t clarify everything very well indeed. Even the last paragraph doesn´t mean anything (at least for me). I don´t contradict myself if I recognize that it discloses some very important things, as, for example, the fact that Mr Darcy went to London in order to look for Wickham and Lizzy and especially what was Mr Darcy´s attitude. I was very surprised when I read that. We also know thanks to the letter, with exactness, Wickham´s debts.

I think that Wickham´s marriage was only a good deal, not only did he pay his debts but he also obtained a big sum of money. Obviously, there is no way of paying debts of honor.

I have a question: why did Mr Darcy attend the wedding?. The only reason I find for that is that he needed to be sure that the ceremony took place as Wickham is not a trustwothy man.

Excuseme, I miss all your comments!!!. Mario, where are you? did you disappeard forever?

MAR dijo...

Sorry, there is a new page on the blog with more commets. I didn´t see it, so, sorry about the last sentence in my previous comment.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Pemberly was fantastic, but on the contrary I did not like the garden very much. I imagined it more careful and not so wild. Obviously it could not be like Versalles' gardens, but a garden a bit more tidy was possible.

Rebeca, I agree with you, Lydia's performance is wonderful. And what do you think about Elisabeth and her walks in the gardens? She is always running, and so ridiculous!

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

I agree with you Mar, the letter is too long, but indeed, it doesn´t make clear some affairs. However, I think Mrs. Gardiners talks to Lizzy (or writes) in a very serious way, I mean, she is a bit cold and she also seems to be upset with her nice´s letter, and most of all, with her inquires.

On the other hand, of course Mr. Wickham engagement was very usefull for selling his debts off. And according to your question, Mar, I wanted to belive that Mr. Darcy atended Lydia´s wedding in order to help Lizzy, but I´m afraid it is due to his own honor.

Raquel, I also found the garden not as impeccable as another like this one shold be, but it was so big, that I suppose there would be areas of every kind of plants and looks. Regards to Lizzy and her style of running I´d prefer not to say a word, since I can imagine nobody running as badly as her; she is againts biomechanics laws, and her dress and shoes againts ergonomics ones! How suffer to her feet! Nevertheless, it doesn´t make her less important in the novel, as she performes her character very well.

Arantza 4B dijo...

I agree with you, Rebeca. I think that Mr Darcy atended Lydia´s wedding because of his own honor because he regrets that he didn´t say anything about how Mr wickham really was, and so he feels that he is responsible for not having foresee it.

On the other hand, I also believe that he is doing all these things for Elizabeth. He is in loved, so that he doesn´t want to see her sad of her sister

rebeca 4ºB dijo...

In fact, Arantza, it has been said by Mrs. Gardiner´s letter: Mr.Darcy is indeed regreted for not having warned The Bennets family about how Mr. Wickham really was.

According the other subject you have mentioned, I´d like to quote the next sentence, which belongs to Lizzy´s thoughts; "her heart did whisper that he had done it for her". Don´t you think it shows he really love her? I belive that when a man does something like this for a woman is because he is in love with her. Nevertheless, we can´t forget his honor, but we can still hope his love be stronger than his sense of honor.

rebeca 4ºB dijo...

sorry, he really loveS

marta dijo...

Raquel, we have always wanted.., I must say not said. It was the thing I liked most about Pemberly. MR. Wickham´s engagement.
Arantza he is in love with her. sad about her sister
Rebeca, Mr. Darcy regretted not having told about Mr. Wickham´s character.
I´ve finally read all the interesting comments. I think that Pemberly is just how I imagined it as described in the novel, the beauty of the place the grounds... in England gardens are often parks, which means they are wilder not the French type. I think Pemberly is perfect.
Why did Mr. Darcy attend the wedding? I think that undoubtedly because he wants to check that everything goes on well as it should, he does very well in making sure that in a business in which he has spent so much is well-carried out, or wouldn´t you do it??
I also think that Lizzy´s words: and of all this I might have been mistress. Show that she certainly regrets having refused Mr. Darcy and who wouldn´t?
I think Pemberly is so beautiful that we would all feel like that.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Hello everybody,

I have to summarize the reading in page 118 for today. I have fallen ill this night, I have a temperature. So, could someone do the reading in my place?

Marta, I am sorry, I know that it is an inconvenient for the class and now it is difficult to find someone who has the time to prepare it.

Roberto dijo...

I have been dwelling on Lizzy’s doubts whether Mr Darcy is really acting in so gentle a way because of his sentiments or just as a means to undo his previous mistakes. I cannot help getting surprised by noticing that women behave as men do when they are nearly to the edge of doom and feel that their beloved might not share such a sentiment, thus, while wishing this dream COME true, you see but impediments everywhere.

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Of course Roberto; men and women act finally in the same way. However, I think it is a question of personality, not of sex. We shouldn´t have that kind of prejudices today, they fitted Lizzy well many years ago, but we are living now fashionable times, and must adapt our thoughts to them! Anyway, you now know women are sometimes weak at love affairs too, and that we could do everything for getting our beloved. Nevertheless, we need be sure the man´s worth is hight, as it happens with Mr. Darcy. When someone admits an error usually tries to mend it: I belive it is what Lizzy is thinking to do now. She is regreted, and she wants to change her previous acts.

Mario dijo...

MAR dijo...

Mario, where are you? did you disappeard forever?

Dear Mar, I am always here, reading your comments, despite the fact that I do not have much time to answer them.

Exerting myself, making an effort to regain my credibility at writing skills, I would like to remark the gentlemanlike attitude showed by Mr. Darcy related to Lydia's affair. I believe, as Marta says, he is doing his best in order to arrange everything for his eventual marriage.

In addition, nobody would have expected his sensible and good-breeding behaviour in this event (Elizabeth was very surprised, as we appreciated in the novel), but his education and rank allow him to behave as the perfect gentleman in this real important moment for one main reason: Because he has been capable enough of getting rid of prejudices.

He has finally accepted the evidence of his feelings for Elizabeth, throwing other considerations away. That is the right way to achieve the final happiness they both deserve!

MAR dijo...

Obviously, Lydia and Wickham’s marriage is an example of a bad marriage. Their marriage was based on appearances, good looks, and youthful vivacity. It was a marriage based on superficial qualities. Will it last before the novel ends?

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Hello! it´s strange how little movement is there at the blog; I suppose it would be due to Easter´s holidays.

According Lydia and her just started marriage with Mr. Wickham, it´s true that, as Mar says, nobody knows how long it will last. However, we could trust it will be for ever, since it is very probably Wickham need The Bennet family´s money in the future.

On the other hand, we have could see that the last chapters are entirely devoted to the eldest Bennet sisters, and of course, their love affairs. These chapters show too, how important is not to be impatient. At least, in their cases, we can think that has something to happen, it will happen when you less expected for it. And Lizzy is the best example, who has finally fallen in love with Mr. Darcy!

marta dijo...

I´ve read all your comments and they are very interesting. I particularly agree with Mario when he says that Mr. Darcy shows real good breeding in the way acts helping Lydia and doing it for Lizzy´s sake. We finally see the gentleman that he is, the good principles that he has and how true his love is. He pays all the necessary money which shows that he is not mean either. Lucky she is who finds such a man, does he exist today? I wonder... who is ready to do so much? Men do not have to fight for a woman any more, we give everything for free and they are taught not to fight, I suppose it is our fault.

MARTA dijo...

IMPORTANT INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

READ IN THE THEATRE CLUB THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE TWO Plays in ENGLISH WHICH ARE GOING TO BE COME TO THE TEATRO ESPAÑOL. YOU SHOULD GO TO SEE THEM, IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE THEATRE REALLY IS!!! THEY SHOULD BE FANTASTIC. THEY DON´T DO GROUPS SO YOU HAVE TO BOOK THE TICKETS YOURSELVES. PLEASE DO IT QUICKLY YOU CAN DO IT THROUGH THE INTERNET

rebeca 4ºB dijo...

I agree with you Marta. Men has been used to make the less they could do in order that a woman fallen in love with them for many years. However, and though woman are the main responsible, had girldfriends been the only ones, it wouldn´t be true at all. Mothers have a lot to say about it. They usually bring their sons up as if they deserved any right only due to their male condition. Fortunately, it is changing nowadays. Nevertheless, either men or women are lazier today than some years ago, and as a result, we make less efforts in love affairs.

But this is not Mr. Darcy´s case, since he has done everything for reaching Lizzy. Then, now we can only wait for knowing what Lizzy´s answer will be. On the other hand, do you think Mr. Bingley has behaved the same? I´m afraid not, so he could lose Jane for ever.

marta dijo...

Rebeca, men have been used to doing as little as possible,.... though women.
It is true that mothers are to blame, but women particularly as they will accept and suffer anything just to be with a man. I think women have been very stupid in the way we deal with men, they know we can´t live without them and that is our undoing.
Until we learn how to live without them we won´t be free. In the novel´s time men at least treated women with more respect, I mean the ones of their class, not the others surely that was bad, but now they treat all badly. Not all men of course, some.
It would be interesting to talk about power in the novel.

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

I have read the information in the theatre club, but what time would it be?. I find quite interesting go to see these plays, since they´re in English. I´ll sure book for 28th April (Shakespeare), and I´ll wait for the other play, in order to know if someone else would go to see it. Nevertheless, in case we had only time for seing one, which one do you recommend us?

marta dijo...

Rebeca, I find quite interesting going to see,
I´m not sure about the exact time but I think it is 8pm. You should try and go because the best theatre in the world, in my opinion, is the English, so if they come we should try and go. Specially as there are tickets for 6€ which is nothing! They are going to perform on Saturday and Sunday too. You can buy the tickets in the internet. DO IT QUICKLY you have to secure the tickets.
I recommend the winter´s tale though the language is difficult, for it is Shakespeare and it is always a must. The story is delightful, it is a commedy. Chejov is the great Russian playwright and it must be good too, so whichever is suitable regarding your agenda. Book them now don´t wait because they will be sold out, in the end they always sell all the tickets, send a message to any classmate and tell them to communicate it to the rest, so that you´ll know if anybody is interested in going.

Rebeca4ºB dijo...

Ok, I´ll send an e-mail to some of my classmates, in order to build a line among us for knowing who would go to see the play. Thanks for your recommendation; I wasn´t very sure which one would be better, but I thought Shakespeare´s play would be more suitable for a student as me and my mates.

Regarding Jane and her beloved Mr. Bingley; Will they be a couple again? and, will Lizzy and Mr. Darcy be ever a couple?. And, how about Mr. Collins and Charlotte? they´re missing!Anyway, we will have to wait for answering these questions.

marta dijo...

Rebeca, to wait to answer, the infinitive is better.
Now that they have returned to Netherfield things are looking up again if they are back there´s a chance. And specially as Mr. Darcy said they would not go back and now they ARE back!!!
Fantastic that you are sending the message, I think it is a very good opportunity

rebeca 4ºB dijo...

I haven´t noticed yet that Mr. Darcy said that he wouldn´t go back to Netherfield, and as far as I know, it could appear as an important signal for Lizzy. Why will they have returned? I think that, by all means, They´re near the Bennet sisters only for love.

MAR dijo...

Answering Marta’s question about power in the novel, in my opinion, as the novel is based on relationships -especially in marriages- and in the style of life at that period of time, eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, power was not in women, either single or married. I mean, as women didn’t work, their only solution was to get married. From that point of view, obviously, the more important the job of the man was, the bigger was his power, for example Darcy, Mr Bingley and Mr Gardiner were businessmen, from my point of view, they are the powerful men in the novel. However, Mr Collins and Wickham weren’t, so, the solution for them was to enjoy the army and to become a clergyman.

Had the novel been written in the twentieth century it would have been different, wouldn’t it?

marta dijo...

I agree with you Mar the power is totally on the hands of the men but the women in some cases had a certain degree of power, for example Lady Catherine was undoubtedly powerful though it is sometimes in silly things that she exerts it. He or she who has money has certainly power it is not that different from today money is always powerful.
Rebeca when Darcy visits Elizabeth at the Collins´ he tells her that Mr. Bingley has no intention of going back to Netherfield and that he would give up the house if he found an oportunity.

marta dijo...

There are two tickets to see the English PLAY "THE CHERRY ORCHARD" by Chejov, would any of you be interested? They are for the 21rst April, 29€. We are trying to sell them so please tell us quickly

MAR dijo...

After reading chapters 53 and 54 I would like to comment on Jane and Elizabeth´s feelings before and after having dinner with Bingley and Darcy at Longbourn.

When Jane heard the news that Bingley would go to Netherfield, she said: “happy shall I be, when his stay at Netherfield is over!”. I think that it was her real feeling as she sufferd a lof when Bingley left Netherfield. But, nevertheless, they both (Jane and Bingley) enjoyed each other´s company at dinner time in Longbourn.

When Elizabeth knew that Darcy would attend the dinner at Longbourn she thought: “let me first see how he behaves”. She obviously had doubts about Darcy´s expectations, also about her own expectations. Darcy was as far from Elizabeth, as the table could divide them at dinner time . In my opinion, it was a pity, as they couldn´t speak with each other. That dinner didn´t offer us great momments between Elizabeth and Darcy. We must wait for another occasion ...

MAR dijo...

We are reading chapters 55 and 56 this week . In my opinion, both are really interesting. The first one because it is in chapter 55 that we have reached one of the most desirable moments in the novel after knowing that Bingley and Jane are finally engaged. But I would like to comment on chapter 56, as I have found it one of the most interesting chapters in the novel. The long, deep, conversation between Lady Catherine and Elizabeth shows us the real face of Lady Catherine . She likes to let others know of their inferiority to her and hates to be contradicted. But, at that time she finds one Elizabeth who is superb in her anwers, who is firm in her decisions and who defends the honor of her family brilliantly. I was looking for a sentence to quote, but there are many very interesting ones such as this one said by Elizabeth to Lady Catherine: “You have widely mistaken my character, if you think I can be worked on by such persuaions as these”. I have enjoyed reading those chapters very much indeed.

marta dijo...

Mar two very interesting comments that I read just now. I agree with you that Lizzy is perfect with Lady Catherine, we mustn´t forget that she is 21 and it takes courage to answer and defend both herself and her family as she did. She is at her best as you say!

jesus dijo...
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Jesus A1B dijo...

I agree with you Mar in the interest of this chapter, due to its intensity.

There are a lot of tension between Lady Catherine's arrogance and Lizzy's bravery. Realizing how the engagement has been arranged since they were kids is very interestig, because it has nothing to do with love, but with the economical interest in keeping the money in the own family.

So after reading this chapter I have understood even better why Marta said in the class that it was after this kind of literature that people started to consider getting married just for love.

Jesús A1B dijo...

Ups! There is a lot of tension

Jesús A1B dijo...

We are approaching the end of the novel, and it is time -at least for me- to look back and to value the reading.

I ought to say that the reservations I had about the usefulness of the novel had dissappeared for good. Even accepting that it is still difficult to follow completely, I finally felt grassped by the story. The most visible proof is that I could not help reading after finishing the chapters I was supposed to read for each Thursday!

Apart from that, it is just at the moment you read any other text, that you realize how important the improvement is. After understanding the complexion of the structures and the massive long sentences, the difficulty of the sarcasm and the hidden meaning behind the expressions, I have the impression that I could read almost whatever it should fall in my hands.

So, as a conclussion, I feel satisfied and proud for reaching such a considerable improvement (it is always surmonable) in so short a period of time.

Carmen dijo...

IMPORTANT

GO TO THE FILM CLUB AND SEE INFORMATION ABOUT

"THE DUCHESS"

they are going on Monday

marta dijo...

Jesús I´m so glad you wrote that comment!! At least one of you has understood the importance of literature and has realised that it makes your standard rise. Thank you for writing it! It is not everybody who says these things at the end. I´m very happy that you have found the novel so and I´m sure that after the one you read in 5th you will always read in English and you will always remember this experience. You have also learnt something and admitted it like Mr. Darcy! You are our particular Mr. Darcy as I told you in class today. I hope the others feel the same about the novel even if they don´t say it.
Thanks Jesús you´ve been a great help and asset during the year and I´m sure you´ll be the same in 5th

marta dijo...

THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE GOING TO
the importance of being earnest
WE´LL MEET IN MODESTO LAFUENTE 11 AND GET THE TICKETS THERE.
SEE YOU AT 20 TO 8. I´LL BE THERE EARLY

Carmen dijo...

Is that Jesus the one who was complaining so much at first and whom i had to give a telling off? I´m very happy to see that you have become at last one of us...and ....wiser!

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

I agree with you three. Literature is still today very important for developing society´s intelligence, by showing it the universal trues. One of them, in my opinion, concerns to chapter 56; instead of leting anybody lead you, you must be guided by your own feelings. Of course, they must be accompained by sense.

Besides, we should realise than at the middle of the eighteenth century, tv and radio didn´t exist, and the only way of spreading the news and even teaching people, were newspapers and the governesses.

On the other hand, I dare say, that we should wait a few days for valuing the novel. It´s finishing, but we can still enjoy its end!.
Neverthless, I must accept, as Jesus said, that reading classics is one of the best ways for improving at any language learning process.

MAR dijo...

Excuse me, could someone remind me when (the day) will you/we enjoy the play "the importance of being earnest".

Thank you very much.

MAR dijo...

Sorry, I meant, could someone reminds me when we/you will enjoy the play "the importance of being aernest".

Thank you very much.

Carmen dijo...

Mar go to the threatre section. it´s on Sunday that we are going in Modesto Lafuente 11, a school, 6€

MAR dijo...

Carmen, Thank you very much indeed.

Carmen dijo...

I have two tickets to sell for "THE WINTER´S TALE", 28th, Tuesday. 28€ each.
Does anyone want them?

marta dijo...

Rebeca I´m very glad that you have said so. I think there´s nothing like literature and Jesús is right when he says that his level has improved a lot with it in such a short time.

marta dijo...

Paloma a 5th says that the way in to the school is in García de Paredes ok?

MAR dijo...

Thank you Marta. I saw that information. I see you (all of you) there.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Marta and Carmen, I would like to thank you for doing such an effort in buying tickets for theater. I have enjoyed a lot 'The Importance of Being Earnest', and I guess so do my mates.
The fact that it was played in English rises the importance of the matter. So do your explanation of the words we did not understand and your comments about the play.
I am glad you encourage students to take part of it, and I hope you continue doing it in the future.

Jesús, I agree with you, literature helps to improve a language, even in your mother tongue. At the beguinning I found the vocabulary in Pride and Prejudice quiet difficult, but after reading some chapters I was able to do it much more fluently. I think that the choice of the roman is important, it must have sentences with a complex grammar structure, and it must be rich in vocabulary.

In short, thank you teachers for not being just teachers.

marta dijo...

Raquel, thank you for your comment, I am very pleased to find that you appreciate and realise the effort we make with all these activities, because you can´t imagine the amount of time they take up. I´m also glad to read what you say about literature. At the beginning I said, "at the end of the year you´ll say that the novel was the best thing and the one that helped you most". It is the best reward that we can have to see that you have realised that we were right.
Nobody works with literature, or very few teachers, in the way we do because it is demanding for the teacher and the student, but it is the best thing. Our English is good because we did Literature at school both for the O and A levels. If we hadn´t done Literature it wouldn´t have been so good, we learnt how to read and right and we became deeper persons.
So continue reading you´ll never regret it.

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

As my mate Raquel, I enjoyed the play a lot. I didn´t expect to find it so amusing, but besides, it surprised me I were able to understand nearly everything! (or at least be able to follow the plt without problems).

Its English performance was quite good (however you should´t rely on me so much, because I´m not an expert in theatre, and I´m afraid I´m being a bit daring by giving my opinion about this subject), and its actors´ accent was clear, so it made possible me and my companions be capable of understanding it.

I also think that it´s wonderfull teachers encourage their students to attend this activities, since it gives high quality the teaching, and most important, it lets us improve a lot, and also know foreing cultures, and even discover how to keep learning English when we finish our studies, and won´t be able to remain at the EOI!.

Finally, I´d like to join Raquel´s gratitude to you; the teachers.

Rebeca4ºB dijo...

I also liked meeting my blog´s friends at the theathre too much; it´s always very interesting meet people you only know by writting!.

So greetings to all of you; Mar, Natalia, Roberto,...

marta dijo...

Rebeca, thank you for both your comments, it is wonderful to see that you feel so and this gives us courage to continue doing it. I´m very glad you liked the play and that you understood practically everything, of course you did you have improved and have a very good level you are at the top now!
I particularly want to thank you for your contribution to the blog! You have really kept it going and you have improved more than the others because you have practised more

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Thanks Marta! Of course, I began writting here because I conceived it as another part of the learning process, I mean, like homeworks. Nevertheless, and as the times passed, I found some entertainment in it. It let us comment the novel, resolve questions, and the most important, get in contact with other mates.

Regarding the play, I´d like to make you a question, may we write in the section devoted to it? I supposse so, but I´m not sure.

And, what about our Lizzy and Mr. Darcy? On the whole, I belive it is a pitty we were reaching at the end of the book.

Arantza 4B dijo...

I have been reading chapter 58 and I like it very much because at last Lizzy and Mr Darcy have talked seriously and sincerelly.

But I have a doubt, do you think that Lizzy loves now Mr Darcy after seeing Pemberly or after knowing that he helped her family with Lydia´s wedding? I mean, she used to say how horrible and proud he was and suddenly he is perfect. Maybe she criticized him because she was in love...I don´t know...

MAR dijo...

Atanza, answering your question, in my opinion, the selfish part of Elizabeth Bennet´s personality needed to see the importance of Pemberley. After that, she regreted having rejected Darcy. On the other hand, the wisdom part of Elizabeht´s personality, understood the meaning of the fact that Darcy took part in Lydia and wickham ´s wedding. I mean, not only does she appreciate this fact because it helps her family, but she also knows that Darcy has feelings toward her.

I disagree with you when you say that Elizabeth thinks that Darcy is suddenly perfect. I think that Elizabeth knows, that Darcy is capable of changing. Darcy has experimented a change and because of that Elizabeth is starting to fall in love with him.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Regarding Elisabeht's comments, the fact that they were told to people of whom Lizzy thought highly is important. It always gave her other opinions about Mr. Darcy character, opinions which she steemed because they were from her aunt, her uncle and her eldest sister. I mean, she conceived it as a way to get other points of views. We have not to confuse what she thinks with what she sais.

And of course, her proud prevented her to admit that she had misjudged and misunderstood him, even after seeing Pemberley.
Had she been honest with herself, she would have had the conversation on chapter 58 previously.

marta dijo...

Rebeca, of course you may write on the theatre section. Please do. I´ve said to the other group that you are the one who has improved most in the whole year because I think it is absolutely true. The practice you´ve done pays. I´m glad you are sad to reach the end, it is a pity indeed! But next year we´ll read another one and during the summer too, we´ll start in July and you must all do it.

marta dijo...

Raquel, Mr. Darcy´s character. ...a way of getting, is better. ...her pride, proud is the adj.
I think that the point Arantza raises is very interesting and the comments after. If you ask me Lizzy was undoubtedly impressed by Pemberly and aware of what she had lost and how foolish she had been, who wouldn´t? But I want to think that Darcy won her over because he had changed, as he said in that sincere conversation, I wanted to show you that I had thought about what you had said and had changed. I think that Lizzy is truly in love with him by chapter 58. And we must grant that he is better after having met her, undoubtedly is Darcy the best character in the novel, the most intelligent the most capable of change and improvement and then comes Lizzy who has also realised some of her faults: I who prided myself on my discernment! that line and the rest of that speech shows how it suddenly dawned on her that she had been blind to many things all her life.

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Hi!
In order to answer Arantza ´s question, I´ll say that I belive that Lizzy has always love Mr. Darcy, but, however, she hasn´t realised that. According to this, then, I agree with Arantza; Lizzy was waiting for Mr.Darcy´s change.

I´ve liked this chapter a lot, and I suppossw it is due to it tells us what we all wanted to herad; Mr. Darcy and Lizzy are together!

I have also noticed I have improved a lot during this year, but I´ve only done what you said; read, write (here where the most), and watching the BBC (althoug it was a bit boring...); so, and though you just knew it, I must admit it works. I hope It encourage my mates writing her more!

marta dijo...

Rebeca, careful with the ending, Lizzy has always loveD...it is due to its telling us, gerund after preposition. We wanted to hear, heard is the past.
I don´t think that Lizzy was in love with Mr.Darcy at first, I think she grew in love with him after the first proposal and his letter, first she was aware of how he saw things and how things were, and they were not like she thought and then she saw Pemberly and his change and she fell in love. But that is my opinion it is not necessarily true.

marta dijo...

Rebeca, I´m very glad you did what I told you, you have improved because you have worked if you keep it up you will continue improving during the summer and you will be fine next year in fifth you will not find it difficult so please, now that you have a good level don´t lose it by not practising enough

MAR dijo...

I have reached the end of the novel after reading chapters 59, 60 and 61 (part of our homework for those days).
How incredulous were Jaen, Mr Bennet and Mrs Bennet after knowing that Elizabeth was engaged to Darcy. On the one hand it is obvious for many reasons, but on the other hand, I think that Jane wasn´t wise enough to observe Elizabeth´s progress.

I like the conversation between Elizabeth and Darcy in chapter 60, as they talk to each other openly and they clarify their doubts and thoughts. Elizabeth behaves like a “typical woman”, as she asks Darcy about when, where, why, why not, etc, he fell in love with her. (“ ... did you admire me for my impertinence?. For the liveliness of your mind, I did”). But, nevertheless, I think that the conversation was necessary between them as many “ups and downs” happened during the previous months.

I was laughing with Lydia´s short letter as she keeps (on) asking money and better conditions for living, while she does nothing but enjoy herself.

I would like to comment on Mr Bennet´s change, I mean, we always said that Mr Bennet in spite of being funny and interesting as a character and lovely as a father, he dind´t take care of his daughters properly. Now he doesn´t consent that Kitty spends time with Lydia and Wickham as they are not a good example, in spite of him loving Wickahm more than the rest of his sons in law.

The last paragraph of the novel is a good recognition to Mrs and Mr Gardiners. How different it would have been if they hadn´t travelled to Derbyshide county instead of Lake county!

Just now, I´ll watch the last part of the film, I took it from the library again, as I can´t wait for our English class.

Sorry for my long comment, but I don´t want to finish without thanking my fellow students who took part in the blog and from whom I have learnt. Also Marta for encouraging us and for her corrections.

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Thank you Marta, I didn´t know that `due to' were a preposition. Do you really belive Lizzy fell in love with Mr. Darcy when she saw Pemberly?. I mean, Of course Pemberly is fantastic, but, can a place have such a strong influence like that? Nevertheless I suppose chapter fifty-nine will give us the answer.

On the other hand, I also agree with Mar, Jane hasn´t been clever enough for imagining Lizzy was falling in love with Mr. Darcy, but I suppose she would be very busy thinking on Mr. Bingley and their possible wedding.

Sorry Mar, I hadn´t been able to read more of your comment. I have just only read till the second paragraph, since I´m reading chapter 59 now!

According to the film, we saw another part last Thursday, but it lasted not much. On it, we watched something about Lydia´s elopement and her behaviour towards Wickham. There are some escenes that don´t appear in the book, as Lydia´s kiss. Had I been the director, I wouldn´t have include it, but I suppose it would save time. It is more illustrative than explaining Lydia was abroad with her lover.

Don´t leave us Mar, There are still some chapters for commenting!

marta helena dijo...

I couldn´t stick to the rule of reading a couple of chapters each week, i am so curious for that, when jane go engaged i couldn´t leave the book apart on my sleeping table, I had to continue untill I knew the whole story. I did´t know that Mr Darcy and Lizzy would end up together but I cherished hopes in my heart. I don´t think Jane wasn´t smart enought to know what was happening beetween her sister and Mr Dardy, I just think she was so kindhearted to think her sister would not be telling her what she was really feeling, that she had huge hopes about Mr Darcy´s love, and that she was always expecting him to do some kind of sing or to get closer to her. Other thing, I don´t think Jane was lying to her sister when she told her, she was just confortable in Mr Bingley´s conpany without having further hopes, I thing that by that actitude she was protecting herself from a huge disappointment.
I am glad things ended up like they did, having Lidia far far away from the family.
MARTA

marta helena dijo...

Wher Jane got engaged sorry.

marta dijo...

Mar when Mr. Bennet says that he loves Wickham better than his other sons in laws he is being sarcastic as he is very well aware that W. is a scoundrel.Mar thank you for participating so actively.

Mario dijo...

Mario Advanced 1 A

Here we are at last! We have reached the end of our beloved novel!
I must confess I feel very sad. I had got used to reading each week upcoming situations and facts related to the dearest family in English literature: The Bennets.

In spite of my feelings, I expected a different ending. In my view, Austen should have mentioned the weddings details at least, apart from analysing the whole character's future situation. I would have liked a final paragraph focused on a last conversation between Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth rejoicing in their happiness.

I would like to highlight that poor Mary will be supposed to remain with her parents forever. It is very painful to be condemned to such a inexorable and hopeless situation because of oneself's beauty.

To sum up, a superb novel has come to an end. But a new passion has been born inside of me: I cannot wait for the moment we start to read a new Austen's novel!

I would like to thank to Marta for her continuous encouragement and support through our reading and to the students who have written comments on this useful and irreplaceable literature blog. I will never forget this experience despite the fact that I would have desired to have had much more time to write!

I am looking forward to beginning with a new literary challenge sooner! I hope so!

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

I agree with Marta Helena; this book has bewithed us so much, as we haven´t ever been able to stop reading it.

Had I read before English classic literature, I would have sooner realised it is very interesting and useful for everyone. I´ve been used to read novel´s adaptations for many years, however, they only let me maintain my English level, but not improving it. Besides, their essence is not the same, they´re like fairy tales. One of the things I´ve appreciated much about having read this novel, is that it has taught us many important things about the real live; how lovers behave with each other, attitudes towards parents and the social live, and most of, that you can meet yourself while reading a book.

On the other hand, why do you say we have just fisnished the novel? My class is still reading chapter 59, we are luckier, since we can still enjoy its end.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Rebeca, I agree with you, adaptations are not as usefull as novels for the improvement of a language. Besides, if the novel is a classic you get used to complex structures, and (with study) you can learn to use them.

I hope the novel we are reading this summer have a plot as interesting as this one. With P&P I have realised that nowadays we have the same preoccupations we had two hundred years ago. Minds have not changed as much as we usually think. In spite of having been written in the XIX century it is still up-to-date (like the futuro house).

I regret having read the novel so fast because after going ahead I couldn't take part in the blog as you did, I was scared of revealing the plot. Anyway, I have enjoyed all your comments, they always gave me details that I would not noticed by myself.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

By the way, does anyone know Marta's email? I can't go tomorrow to class and I'd like to send her my essay.

Thank you

MAR dijo...

Hello Raquel:

Marta´s e mail is:

martaperedopombo@hotmail.com

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Thank you Mar!

marta dijo...

I don´t have time to read all your comments, Mario´s is the last I´ve read so far. I´m delighted to read all and find that you have enjoyed it so much!! I told you! Literature is always worth it!
Thanks Mario for your acknowlegdement to us all, me and those who have participated in the blog. We are probably going to reach 700 hundred comments so I am more than pleased!!I´m going to comment on the chapters when I have time! Let´s see if tomorrow or tonight I can.

marta dijo...

Marta is right that Jane was protecting herself and did not want to be trapped again in Mr. Bingley´s net only to be later disappointed but I also think she was not cunning enough to see that all that interest that Lizzy had in Mr. Darcy meant something. Lizzy who is more cunning managed to conceal it from her and from all the others. She didn´t want to be laughed at in case Mr. Darcy had changed his mind.

marta dijo...

Rebeca I´m very glad that you realise that adaptations are not a good idea. Many teachers seem to think they are but if you read the whole novel or a play for instance, or a short story, you improve much more and see the whole structure of the piece of work. Literature is more demanding and that is why they use the others books but in my opinion it is not a good idea. You have to work a little harder but it is much better in the end.

marta dijo...

I have finished reading Rebeca´s comment and it is true that we can´t reveal the story but don´t be afraid of writing just check that you are not revealing the story. It is very good practice. If during the summer you read and write you won´t be in trouble in 5th if not you will, because it takes time to go back into the habit of studying English, remember it has to be a bit a day but everyday.

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Although I had finished the novel on Tuesday, I read its two last chapters again yesterday night, so as to remember what happened on them well.

Its strange how the author needs nearly three hundred pages for telling the whole story, whose imaginary time is about two years, and how describes its characters´ future in only some paragraphs.

On the other hand, reading the whole novels, instead of their adaptations, let us develope an adult thought, and as Raquel says, understand different societies and even identify ourselves with their characters.

For finishing my today´s comment, I´ll say that one of the best features of P&P, is that many of the situations that it contains are still alive, and we have been able to learn from them.

rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Sorry, it´s.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Don't you find the end too happy? I didn't want some blood, but at least something quiet realistic... Even Lydia has a good end! She enjoys the life although we really know she is not loved by Wickham. I expected a moral ending as always stories have, I mean, I never imagined Lydia and her husband having a happy ending!

Do you agree with me or did you like the ending?
Well, I must point out that I have never liked love stories in books or films, so this kind of endings are not written for me, that is sure.

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Yes Raquel, I also find the end very happy and a bit fantastic, but I belive it must be like that; and as Marta said on Friday, hadn´t been the end so happy, readers wouldn´t have liked this novel so much along the time.

However, I disagree with you about Lydia´s happiness. As far as I´m concerned, she appears happy at the beginning of her marriage with Wickham, but on the other hand, the writer shows she is supposed to be unfortunate in the future.

I have liked the end very much, because it doesn´t make you suffer. Nevertheless, I think like that since I´m sure the real live is not as the novel shows us; so much happiness as The Bennet family finds at the end, can´t exist!

Arantza 4B dijo...

I agree with you Rebeca. I think that lydia´s end in not as happy as she would have wanted, because, although at the beginning she was happy (in my opinion because she was the first sister who got married), at the end she had to be content with that life, she had to see that her sisters´ husbands were richer than hers.

I have liked the end too. It is a love story, so it is logical that the main characters´ end be very happy

MAR dijo...

Answering Marta´s request for comments on John Keats ode, as it doesn´t appear on the poetry list I have decided to quote the whole poem. I think this will help my fellow students. I have made my comment below.



ODE ON A GRECIAN URN:

THOU still unravish'd bride of quietness,
Thou foster-child of Silence and slow Time,
Sylvan historian, who canst thus express
A flowery tale more sweetly than our rhyme:
What leaf-fringed legend haunts about thy shape 5
Of deities or mortals, or of both,
In Tempe or the dales of Arcady?
What men or gods are these? What maidens loth?
What mad pursuit? What struggle to escape?
What pipes and timbrels? What wild ecstasy? 10

Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard
Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on;
Not to the sensual ear, but, more endear'd,
Pipe to the spirit ditties of no tone:
Fair youth, beneath the trees, thou canst not leave 15
Thy song, nor ever can those trees be bare;
Bold Lover, never, never canst thou kiss,
Though winning near the goal—yet, do not grieve;
She cannot fade, though thou hast not thy bliss,
For ever wilt thou love, and she be fair! 20

Ah, happy, happy boughs! that cannot shed
Your leaves, nor ever bid the Spring adieu;
And, happy melodist, unwearièd,
For ever piping songs for ever new;
More happy love! more happy, happy love! 25
For ever warm and still to be enjoy'd,
For ever panting, and for ever young;
All breathing human passion far above,
That leaves a heart high-sorrowful and cloy'd,
A burning forehead, and a parching tongue. 30

Who are these coming to the sacrifice?
To what green altar, O mysterious priest,
Lead'st thou that heifer lowing at the skies,
And all her silken flanks with garlands drest?
What little town by river or sea-shore, 35
Or mountain-built with peaceful citadel,
Is emptied of its folk, this pious morn?
And, little town, thy streets for evermore
Will silent be; and not a soul, to tell
Why thou art desolate, can e'er return. 40

O Attic shape! fair attitude! with brede
Of marble men and maidens overwrought,
With forest branches and the trodden weed;
Thou, silent form! dost tease us out of thought
As doth eternity: Cold Pastoral! 45
When old age shall this generation waste,
Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say'st,
'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'

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I know that an ode was a poem usually accompanied by music
Each of the stanzas is written about each scene on the urn and describes what Keats sees and feels. His final remark “Beauty is truth, truth beauty – that is all
ye know on earth and all ye need to know” suggests that truth and beauty are everything important in life. However, it is difficult to know the true meaning of these lines.
In my opinion, the poem is very difficult for both English speaking and Spanish people too as it uses old English. “Thou” and “ye” are old forms of “you” which even English people don´t understand.

marta dijo...

As for the comments on P&P I must say that it is one I like. It is not fantastic, I disagree on that, it is not only a possible one but it is the one we expect too. Why can´t Darcy and Lizzy marry? They belong to the same circle otherwise they wouldn´t have met. He is richer and from a much better family but Mr.Bennet is a gentleman just like Mr.Darcy.
Lydia´s end is unhappy as we all expected it would be as she was a fool and fools often have a bad ending, however she didn´t end as badly as she could have done, considering she didn´t end up going around with other men. I think the ending is the only possile one and the one we all wanted it is a dream come true and who doesn´t like dreaming?

marta dijo...

Mar, thank you very much for putting up the poem so that everybody has the chance of reading it. Have you understood it better than yesterday? Once you read it a couple of times you´ll start seeing the beauty of it.

MAR dijo...

Marta, don´t mention it.

Yes, after reading and re-reading the poem I have understood it better than yesterday. However, as I said, it is difficult to know the true meaning of these lines.

Mario dijo...

Mario Advanced 1-A

In my view this poem is fantastic! It reflects the Romantic ideal of beauty and eternity powerfully. The author's ability and acuity to inspire us with his concerns about these topics are brilliant. A unique achievement in literature, I dare say.

Undoubtedly, Marta's guidance and support in our reading is irreplaceable. I can assure that without her invaluable explanations, you would be always prevented from reaching a complete understanding in your reading.

This poem is a must have! Please, join us and read it as soon as possible! You will not be disappointed!

marta dijo...

Mario I´m so glad to read your comment! It is true that the poem is fantastic and worth reading, the way the urn inspired the poet with the idea of immortality and the way it kind of laughs at us saying beauty is truth, truth beauty... is wonderful. To us poor mortals who will not be here for long, who fade and lose our beauty. But there is a certain loveliness in thinking that there are beautiful things that will remain forever

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

After reading your last comments about the poem Mar has post here, I´m looking forward reading it!!! Nevertheless, I´m afraid, according to what you have said, that it will take me some time to understand it.

Anyway,let´s read it. Besides, I belive we should thank Mar for giving us the chance of continuing writing in the blog, and above all, once upon we have just finished P&P.

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

How difficult its language is!Not only does the poem contain many archaic words, but also complex grammatical structures!.

However I´ve liked it, since it speaks about love and beauty in a sentimental way; and it also seems to hide a deep meaning. I think it´s important, because it let people draw different interpetations. Neverthelss, and joining what my mates have said to, I also belive that without an expert´s help ( as our English teacher) we wouldn´t be able enough to understand it deeply.

I´ll read it again tomorrow, so as to get reach its meaning properly. Bye till then.

MAR dijo...

Rebeca, thank you very much for your compliment. You are a VERY GOOD partner for this blog, I have enjoyed your comments during the whole course. It would be nice if we would continue doing the same during the summer, directed by Marta and improving our English level thanks to her corrections. Rebeca, would you be able to do that?. I Would be able to do that.

marta dijo...

Mar and Rebeca of course we have to continue commenting during the summer. The poem is difficult and it needs guidance but it is fantastic that you have appreciated it to some extent, we´ll see what it means on Thursday and then the exam will be a piece of cake!

maría 5ºB dijo...

Clara and Belen, if you are reading this, go to the Film Club.

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Mar, thank you for your comment, you have also been a worth member of the blog. You needn´t worry about I should leave (I have tried writting a subjucntive structure...) the blog, since I´ll also try posting on it every day during the summer.

However, we didn´t finally choose the novel we are going to read, and our last class was last Thursday. I suppose Marta will tell us it here or at the oral exam.

marta dijo...

I´ll put the novel up in the blog eventually but there is one condition that you should participate. I won´t write if you don´t, you have to get the practice and the only way in which you can practice writing during the summer is doing it in the blog.
Thank you very much everybody for all your entries.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Marta, do not hesitate we will participate writing comments, those who have profited this blog know how important practice is. Maybe comments will not be as fluent as during the course, but in summer people is usually in holidays, and many times we will be outline. Anyway, it will be an opportunity to not forget what we have learnt.

And last but not least, I hope the novel will not be a love story (even though I will read it in any case).

rebeca 4ºB dijo...

I agree with you, Raquel.It could be possible the comments were less fluent and frequents on holidays as they have been during the course.

However, and in order to fix a new target to ourselves (apart from reading a new novel, I belive that try to post a set number of comments during the summer will be a good idea, don´t you think so?

Raquel de Luis dijo...

That is a good idea, although I think it should be more a personal target (a comment per day or every two days). On the other hand, I do not know how many people will post frequently on the blog. Currently we are not a lot...

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

That´s true, but I hope we be able to try it.

How fast the time lastes, we have just reached at the end o the course! It´s time to make a balance about it; so as to realize how much we have learnt, new people we have met, the novel we have read, etc.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Do you know yet which is the next novel?

By the way, the registration is going to take place in the first two weeks of july, and we have to pick up the registration form on 26th june. Very usefull information indeed!

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

Thank you Raquel. Then, do we have to go to the school at the end of June in order to pick up the form? And after that, I think I have undertood, that we will be able to fill it during the first two weeks of July, won´t we?

Almost all month long has lasted since we finished the novel, but, don´t you continue thinking about some of its passages?

Finally, and as a way to say good bye to the novel, I´d like to say, at least under my point of view, that it has been a read not to be forgotten.

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Rebeca you have correctly understood. We have to pick up the form, fill it, and give it back in the first two weeks of July. I think it would be better to do it the 1st in order to have more schedules to choose.

Do you know yet what will be the novel for this summer? It seems as if Marta wasn't alife any more. (Obviously it is a joke)

Rebeca 4º B dijo...

Thanks again Raquel. I know nothing about the mew, novel, I supposse we´ll have to wait, but it doesn´t matter, since we need a short rest before focusing on English again!

Raquel de Luis dijo...

Actually I was mistaken, the application form will be available on june 29th. I am sorry if you went today to pick it up.

Have a nice summer!

Mario dijo...

Mario

Hi! Is there anybody at home?

Since we finished the exams I feel so distressing a sensation of loneliness without having anything new to read (English literature, I mean). I have been waiting, alongside many of us, for a month to know which novel was about to be the final choice for the summer term.

According to Marta's advice and guidance thorought the year, she considered "Emma" as one of the best novels by Jane Austen. Why do not we read it? It is a little bit longer than Pride and Prejudice but after reading the last one succesfully I think "Emma" should be an easier task for all of us.

This suggestion is made taking into account Marta's allowance and support in our reading process. I would like to know your opinions. I hope you find the proposal interesting!

P.S: Marta, please, come to life! We miss you!

Teresa dijo...

Hi!
I hope it is not only you and me who are at home. In that case, it would mean that Madrid attracts lots of tourists this summer.
I am also looking forward to knowing the next book to be read.
Regarding your proposal,Mario, I know about Emma as much as I knew about P&P. So, I trust Marta's advice. Emma would be great.
Marta, please, enlighten us!
("You have no compassion on my poor nerves!")

marta dijo...

I´m sorry I´ve been missing but it has been complicated for me to write and really I haven´t got round to doing it. I think we can read Persuasion which is also by Austen and it is shorter.
The conditions are: you must participate, if you don´t I won´t either. So we can start posting comments from the 15th, I´ll try and put it up by then ok?

Mario dijo...

Mario

What a nice surprise! I have not realised about Marta's coming back and proposal until today. I agree with her: It is better a shorter novel because we are almost in the middle of the summer term and we will not be able to finish a novel on time if Emma is chosen.

I have to purchase the new novel. I will go today. How many chapters do we have to read this week?

Thank you, Marta, for everything.

marta dijo...

We have to read 5 per week minimun if we want to finish and here is a comment, what do you think about the beginning?
I´ll try and put it up today if I can´t we can use the section which is under this I´ll try to erase the comments. It is under summer reading

Rebeca dijo...

Hello, I´ve just written in the space reserved for the summer novel.

I´ll try to read five chapters this weekend, in order to reach you, because I supposse we should have just read two at least.

Therefore, I´m afraid we have to say goodbye to this section of the blog, and to move on that one that Marta has opened.

bye

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