15 de octubre de 2009

EMMA

The groups of level A1 are going to read this novel by Jane Austen during the course. Please join in and post your comments.

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clara dijo...

I wanted to wish all my schoolmates who usually write here their comments and my teacher Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
I’ve got a cough and a little sore throat, but I’m getting better, it’s not the A Flu, just a cold, so I expect going to school tomorrow, but I'm writing this just in case I can’t go.
Are you going away these days? I'm not sure, but if the weather is not bad I might go to the North to spend 3 or 4 days, who knows? today has been cold the whole day.
Emma went to one of her friends' to a dinner party too. She hadn't had to drive so many kilometres as I have to do, but her conditions were much more difficult than mine.
I hope you all have nice days in your celebrations and spend money on Christmas presents and that your family and friends enjoy them a lot, and that you get so many too.

María. Av.1-D dijo...

Today we have been talking about Mr. Elton and Emma when they were in the carriage and he declared his love to Emma. There is one sentence that I love... Who can see Mss. Smith when Miss Woodhouse is near. It seems to me lovely, and it must be marvelous to hear something like this, from the man who you love.

marta dijo...

Clara merry Xmas to you too, I´m going to the North tomorrow, so I think it´ll be ok if you go, my cousin has arrived today savely so the weather is getting better.
María, I think you have picked on a very good sentence it is true that it is very nice. Compliments! how nice they are and how we love them! I wish men would say more, I think they tend not to use them they think it is silly. It is not we love them! I think the story of Cyrano is still true, women fall for what they hear more than for other things, don´t you think??

marta dijo...

Merry Xmas everybody? What about your comments? I suppose that today after yesterday night and today´s lunch you are not fit to write but you have to post your comments and practise!!

María. Av. 1-D dijo...

Not only did I enjoy this nice words. I think that are necessary in this life as much as other things though very often we do not give importance.
I am a very romantic person so, I love all beautiful words specially when you listening it from the person who you love.

María. Av.1-D dijo...

I´m sorry I forgot to wish all of you the best for the New Year.

marta dijo...

María, you didn´t finish the sentence with the inversion as with Not Only you have to write a second part like:
Not only did I enjoy these nice words BUT ALSO I enjoyed a good lunch, for example.
By the way, how did you enjoy the nice words? It is not clear.
I think that they are necessary...don´t forget the subject
...specially when you listen to them. Listening is the present participle or the gerund and it is impersonal.
Follow always the structure S+V+O+A ok?
Write short comments so that you get confident with the structure.

Laura de Arriba A1-S dijo...

I have found very interesting the disagreement between Mr. Knightley and Emma in chapter 18. This is not the first time they have opposite opinions. Some chapters ago, when they talked about the convenience of the marriage between Harriet and Mr. Martin, Mr. Knightley warned Emma about her intentions (her match-making between Mss. Smith and Mr. Elton). He assured her that Mr. Elton would never make such an imprudent match, because he is looking for a wealthy high class lady. But Emma, as always, thought she was right. In this chapter, 18, their disagreement is about Mr. Churchill and his reasons for not going to see his father and Mrs. Weston. And Emma is again blind because she is not able to understand that Mr. Knightley is right. He is much older than her and he knows very well men’s mind and behaviour. He proved this knowledge in the first case in which Mr. Elton was involved. Sometimes Emma is not too clever than she seems.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone!

María. Av.1-D dijo...

I disagree with you Laura. Emma is a very intelligent person but she thinks that everybody can do what they want without thinking about the others. And Mr. Churchil is always thinking of his uncle before taking any decision.
Marta Not only I would like to do it but also I had to do it.

marta dijo...

Laura a very good comment. E is not as clever as she seems you should have said.
You are absolutely right, one wonders that E who is described as clever and is undoubtedly so can be so often wrong! In fact she is wrong in practically all her judgements! Specially those about feelings, she can´t tell one from another.
However I suppose we must make allowances for her youth, and let´s hope that next year she finds a bit of insight somewhere!!

marta dijo...

María you didn´t do the inversion that is putting the verb before the subject.
Not only WOULD I like to do it but also....
Keep trying you´ll improve, believe me, this is a question of studying and practising.
I disagree with you, she is intelligent but so far she is always erring! Whenever she thinks of something it is wrong. Where has she been right do you think?

clara dijo...

I'm writing this post just in case anybody read it 'happy New Year'.

María. Av.1-D dijo...

I wish I were able to do the inversion but every time I try I mike a mistake, but I´ll try again and again until I´ll get it. I´m sorry.

Ana Martínez Esteban A1 S dijo...

First of all, teacher and classmates, I would like to wish you a happy and healthy New Year 2010.
Respect the novel, in chapter 19, Emma is feeling guilty respect of Harriet’s sadness so she attempts to give her emotional support listening to her everything what she wants to say. But no sooner is Harriet mentioning Mr. Elton several times than Emma takes the opportunity to visit the Bates in order to changing Harriet’s mind while they deal another topics. It seems Emma has fed up with plaintive Harriet.
In this part of the chapter, we can see Emma as a classist woman because not only does she critic the Bates’ manners but also she hates to mix with Highbury women. It is clear that she is considering superior to them.
Mss Fairfax’s name makes also Emma feel not so well. May be Emma could consider Jane Fairfax as a rival. Might be that Emma would be afraid to compare herself to somebody like her?

marta dijo...

Happy New Year everybody, and thanks Clara.
María, don´t worry, it is not that difficult. You just put the adv at the beginning and then do a question pattern: that is you write the verb first and then you put the subject. You need the auxiliary if the adv is negative.

marta dijo...

Ana same to you and thank you.
Respecting or As for the novel, the second is better. E....regarding H....Listening to everything she wants to say.
Well done with the inversion but I would have used the present simple rather than the continuous form.
...in order to change, in order takes the inf....while they deal with other topics.
...it seems as if E is fed up with H.
The verb is to criticise, not to critic, use the dictionary if you are not sure ok?
Maybe E could consider H....
It might be, remember that all the verbs must have their subject, except the non-personal forms.
There are some mistakes but you have used good structures too.
I agree E is very class conscious, and I think she sees Jane as a rival that is why she dislikes her, there is no other reason that I can see. E has to be the best always and she doesn´t like to have another shining next to her. Jane seems to be better than her at everything so E can´t bear it.

Reyes dijo...

First of all, ¡¡¡Happy New Year!!! I hope you have enjoy your Christmas´Holidays.
Now, I have just finished of reading chapter 23. Here appears a new character, Frank Churchill. He is young, clever , well-educated, with good manners......It is the perfect rival for Mr. Khightly , don´t you think???
Both are very intelligent and with an important income, but they use that intelligence and social status in a different way.

While Mr. Knightly uses it to keep a good moral and right behaviour, Mr. Churchill uses it to manage his own interest, and to enjoy with his particular sense of humor, without considering the feelings of the others.

I see Mr. Churchill like if he representd the character of a "villane" in the novel, but that kind of villane who likes and makes everybody fun.

Doesn´t it????

marta dijo...

Reyes happy New Year to you too!
You have enjoyED...You don´t need the Saxon Genitive you can use it as an adjective.
I have just finished reading.
A new character appears here. Use the usual order because if you don´t you are sure to make mistakes.
...and to enjoy himself with...
The comparison you make is very interesting, I agree with you, here is an eligible man with everything but different to Mr. Knightley. Drawing a comparison between them would be an interesting essay. You see the difference perfectly.
What do the rest of you think?

Reyes dijo...

Thanks Marta. You´re right, If I don´t write in english for days, then I make silly mistakes.

Mr. Knightly and Mr. Churchill represent the typical men who are always around women. Mr. K is good, quite, he is always there; he is considered like a perfect friend but which feelings are very different , finally.

And Mr. Ch is the kind of man that women always admire and want to manage because he is charming, goodlooking.....he has always a perfect word for us...."the ideal man".

But , at the end.....who is chosen for being a husband? the man who every woman wants to share her live?? Mr. K or Mr.Ch.

What do you think????

marta dijo...

Reyes, I´m afraid that many women would chose Mr.Churchill because he has more charm and he pays more attention to women than Mr.Knightley. Mr.K embodies all the good qualities that men have but I´m sure he is a bit boring and the other is not, he goes to Bath, he is handsome, young, rich, all the women are after him, he doesn´t do his duty, but that can be excused specially by an adoring woman.
I´m sure that most women would fall for him.
Mr.K is good he is always there, but just because he is always there you don´t value him. You need something to notice those kind of men.
When one is young one is stupid and doesn´t value those qualities and sometimes even when a little more advanced in years, one might make the wrong choice too.
I don´t think that Mr.K is a lady´s man, he is not so often with women. Do you think he is? He is very interested in his farm and we see that he has meeting with men, etc.

Reyes dijo...

Yes...I agree with you. Women, in general, would chose Mr.Ch. I have chosen a few "Mr.Ch." in my live because they are more interesting and fun. Life with them is very exiting, but on the other hand, those men hurt you many times....they adore you but they adore other women too.

Sometimes, we are a litlle bit silly.

Emma likes Mr. Ch. and for a while she thinks about him as a possible "candidate" for the marriage and Mr. Ch is flirting with her but I don´t believe that he is interested, really.

I am not sure, but I think that Mr. K is a bit jealous of Mr. Ch.because he gives Emma too many attention and compliments.

What will happen between both???

clara dijo...

I agree with you about Emma, she seems to see Jane as a rival because she’s get used being the centre and soul of her world, and Jane could break this world. Under my point of view this is another of her negative features, she’s vain and proud.
As for Mr Churchill I don’t see him as a rival of Mr. Knightly. On the one hand, he’s not as rich as Mr. Knightly, and on the other hand Mr Churchill doesn’t have his strong personality. I imagine him as a handsome man but just a bit show off and ladies’ man. I can’t see him as a perfect husband, although he’d be a great boyfriend, since he’s charming, and he pays more attention to women than other men. But he’s not brave enough to make a decision without waiting that other people take the first step. I think he’s an eligible man, but I prefer Mr. Knightly, he seems to be a person who enjoys working, and treats his workers with respect and thinks of them as a friends, he’s a good boss. So, sincerely if I had to make an election I wouldn’t doubt it, I’d choose Mr. Knightly, without thinking of it.

clara dijo...

Hi colleagues, have you got many presents from the three wise men last night? I hope so.
time flies, we'll see at school soon.
About the novel,... Do you think Emma is trying to make Mr knightly jealous without noticing it, by speaking good things about a man whom she doesn't know jet? who knows?

marta dijo...

Reyes, he pays E too much attention.
I´m afraid I have also chosen a few Mr. Churchills and that is why I am single I suppose. I had the sense not to marry them as if I had I´d probably be a divorcee now.
We haven´t been intelligent. It is the man who loves the one that should be chosen and not the one you have fun with and whom everybody has fun with!

marta dijo...

Clara, she is used to being...a bit of a show off and a lady´s man...without for people to take the...
Mr.Churchill is a rich man, maybe even richer than Mr.K, he has a house in London and his family is very well-connected. He is probably more eligible than Mr.K, I prefer Mr.K too but the other one is more interesting probably and he is a baddy which makes him more interesting to a 20-year-old.
I agree with you about E she doesn´t like Jane because Jane is poor but better than her in everything excepting money.

marta dijo...

Clara, I got many presents one of them is a little computer to carry around that I´m using right now with which I´m absolutely thrilled!!! Yes we´ll soon be back how awful! But we´ll have to try and get through the term as well as possible!
I don´t think E is trying to get Mr.K jealous, she doesn´t see him as a beau, I don´t think, I wonder what the rest of you think.

María. Av.1-D dijo...

Yes Clara I got many presents from the three wise men today so I am very happy. What about you?
Yes the time flies. Hardly had I time to realise that the class will begin.

clara dijo...

Marta, I understand your happiness with your new little laptop, I bought one two months ago, because before that I always had to wait someone at home left one free for me. Now I can use mine when I want and carry it wherever I go.

When you’ve written, for instance, ‘she doesn´t like Jane’, you will have seen that doesn´t is underlined by your PC as if it were a mistake, well, it is, as you have to use the apostrophe in the key with the ‘?’ next to the ‘0’. This is not an important thing, but it’s another thing to know, I think that using it like that is more comfortable.

Is it ok the sentence: 'but he’s not brave enough to make a decision without for people to take the first step’? When I want to say that Mr Ch is waiting something happens before he to do anything that is very important for him.

marta dijo...

Clara, I had to wait for someone at home to leave one free for me to use.
Thank you for telling that about the apostrophe. I was wondering why the computer always underlines it when I write it so. I'll try to do it well.
Is this sentence ok? That is the right way to put it as the subject should go in the middle. The next is wrong, you can´t use an infinitive after a prep.
...without people taking the first step. That's how it should be. And the next is as follows:
...Mr.Ch waits for something to happen before he does anything (or something)that is very important for him.
However I'm not sure I grasp your meaning, but my sentence is correct regarding structure.
Yes I'm delighted with my little computer that fits in a handbag!

María. Av. 1-D dijo...

I think Emma has really interest in to meet Mr. Churchil and for this reason she talks a lot about him but I believe that she doesn´t see Mr. K, as a man to fall in love with him. She sees Mr. K, as a family friend .

marta dijo...

María, I agree with you completely. She is too interested in Frank Churchill because he is talked about the whole time by everybody and a man much talked about is always interesting. He is also very elegible as he is the heir of the Churchills and they are a great family. Mr.K is just a family friend if E has thought of him as something else, it is certainly not in the novel so far, there is no hint of that that I can see or anybody for that matter.

Belén A1d dijo...

Hello mates!!! I completely agree with you! In fact, although we didn´t talk about it last day in class, it´s written in Chapter 14: "in spite of Emma´s resolution of never marrying, there was something in the name, in the idea of Mr.Frank Churchill, which always interested her".Don´t you think that statement is an obvious hint? Do you agree Mr. Ch is going to change Emma´s mind in certain aspects?

María. Av.1-D dijo...

she is totally involved in to meet Mr. Churchil and when she is sad and suddenly thinks about Mr. Churchil she inmediately change your mind and your face in one smile and she very often asks Mrs. Weston about him.

marta dijo...

Belén thank you for the quote it is very much to the point.
María, involved in meeting, gerund after prep!...she immediately changeS.
She is mad about him, well maybe not mad but really interested, let´s see what happens!

marta dijo...

I can see that some of you are not confident with the inversion of the adv. Please use this blog to practice you have to know how to do it!!

clara dijo...

Yesterday we had such a bad weather that never have I seen so many slips in the streets, it reminds me when Emma and her family had to go back home after a dinner party at Christmas. But fortunately today things are different we have a rainy day but for me much more comfortable.

Belén A1d dijo...

Clara, Could you tell me if the next inversions are correct as well? "Yesterday had we such a bad weather that.." or "Yesterday we had so bad a weather that...". I´ve just changed the word order of your sentence. Thank you!!

clara dijo...

Belén I’d tell you that the two sentences are right, we’ll see when Marta sees them, I’m sure she’ll correct them and explain about the mistakes you’ve made (if necessary).
Yesterday Juan was talking about several chapters of the book and among other things he was talking about how Mr Knightly tried to convince his daughter to remain at his home with her children in spite of her husband’s departure. This seems a silly thing, but it doesn’t. Sometimes it’s difficult for fathers in general to cut with their daughters. Could it be that JA had put a nervous character in her novel to make us see this problem? This book is full of these little comments about how people relate to their family and friends. Scarcely do I read a new chapter when I find another of these symbols.

Carmen Segura dijo...

Chapter 18

In this chapter there is an interesting argument between Emma and Mr K.
Mr K. does not like Frank Churchill because he is neglecting his duty by not visiting his father, and he thinks that a man have to do his duty.
Emma defends Mr Churchill because she thinks that the Churchills are blamed in keeping him away.
She considers that we don’t have to judge anybody if we don’t know perfectly the interior of a family because sometimes the parents do emotional blackmail to their children.
I agree with Mr K. in that a middle-age men has to do his duty but in other hand I agree with Emma because sometimes it is difficult due to a special situation and emotional sentiments.


Chapter 20

In this chapter we know Jane Fairfax who is an orphan girl and was educated for for educating others in order to earn money for living.
It is curious that in that time when a woman had to work was considered a bad think, like a noviciate, it meant sacrifice and retirement of pleasures.
Now a day on the contrary it is a good think to work and to be independent economically.

Other interesting question about Emma’s character is her dislike to Jane.
Mr. K , who knows Emma perfectly, says that the reason is because Emma sees in Jane the “really accomplished” woman, which she wanted to be.
I think this is a very common sentiment, to dislike or to criticise a person who is better than us.

María. Av.1-D dijo...

Hi Belen and Clara don´t worry...
Only after reading it does the teacher will make a comment.

marta dijo...

Clara, it reminds me of...., you are absolutely right one realises how awful it must have been to have snow in those days!
Belén, the second is correct, not the first where is the negative adv or the conditions that one requires to do the inversion type 2.

marta dijo...

Carmen, a man has to do his duty.. the Churchills are to blame...on the other hand...
It is true that a young man has to obey sometimes but Mr.K is right a man can do his duty if he wants, there is always a way.
...to earn money for a living...another interesting...
You are very right about E's dislike for Jane, and it is true too that we often criticise those we recognise as better than you

marta dijo...

María, ...will the teacher make a comment. You can't put does with will. OK?

Mª S 1 dijo...

In these chapters devote to The Bates, J. Austen introduces Miss Jane Fairfax and I think that the writer also wants to show that women are in an unfair situation.
We can see how different are J.'s expectations in contrast with the Mr. F. Churchil's one. Both were forced to leave their closer relatives in order to give them a better future, but their future seem as if they were quite different.
Apart from The Curchil's fortune, it is clear that men have more opportunities to survive than women. Business let them earn their living and even improve, as F.'s father does. However, J.'s story tells us that the only alternative for the less wealthy women, without a dowry that lets them marry, is to became a governess (if they can) or "suffer in winter" as the rest of "the poor".
In my opinion a long the book the author ponts out that it is important that society improve this situation, because some women are in danger of falling in poverty.

marta dijo...

María,...their future seemS,...business letS,...along the book. You have used the subj well in the last line but one, well done.
You are absolutely right, she is pointing at that the whole time, specially denouncing the situation of women compared to that of other women. Men had many options as we see with Frank, but pennyless women could do nothing.
I think the comparison is with Emma, she is rich so she can afford not to marry, Jane is not even contemplating that possibility, which Harriet is, she has everything looks, accomplishments, manners, family, etc. and yet she has to work or...

SOSIAS dijo...

I agree with you in all about the situation of women and how is showed in the book.

It surprises me a lot how modern the book is, specially about women's rights.

Antonio (Av. 1B)

marta dijo...

You have understood the message perfectly Sosias. That is precisely what Austen wanted to do, to show the difficult position women were in when they had no money as there was nothing they could do to support themselves.

cesar dijo...

Good night, Marta!
After giving you the last essay and no sooner had I entered the house than I realized I had made a mistake, among other mistakes which I can not exactly remember.
I added a handwritten "S" to a verb which was placed after a modal verb.
I think that handn't I revised it so quickly I would not have made such a stupid mistake so, if you please, don't pay any attention to it and thanks for your teaching.

Isidro dijo...

In my opinion, Emma is right in surmising something hidden in Miss Fairfax's behaviour. Emma wonder if Mr Dixon has married to Miss Campbell only "for the shake of the future twelve thousand pounds". Maybe it be not right, but I agree with Emma in surmising that Jane is hiding something. Mr Dixon and Mss Campbell's marriage must to have been a shock to Jane, who surely had to feel alone and sad, at a time in which she see how her age of independece is approaching, without having assured her means of life. The illness of Jane is described like something mysteriously: a cold she had caught a long time ago, after Miss Campbell's marriage, but she had never mentioned it before. I think she could have some psichological problems because of her personal situation in life. Don't you believe that it is very strange that Jane have decided "to retire of all pleasure of life to penance and mortification for ever"? As well, It is not surprising that she have decided to go to Highbury, rejecting Mr and Mrs Dixon invitation, in spite of her wish if seeing Ireland?
Otherwise, don't you think that Emma looks as if inconsciously she be a little jealous of Jane in relation to Frank Churchill? I believe that Emma could not forgive Jane's hermetecism, not only because she is a gossip woman.
Finally, I would like to emphasize Jane Austen's to introduce different incertainties at the beginning of the first and second chapters of the volume two in order to capture the reader's attention.

Isidro dijo...

I'm sorry:.....Finally, I would like to emphasize Jane Austen's mastery and ability to introduce......

Isidro dijo...

In my opinion, Emma is right in surmising something hidden in Miss Fairfax's behaviour. Emma wonder if Mr Dixon has married to Miss Campbell only "for the shake of the future twelve thousand pounds". Maybe it be not right, but I agree with Emma in surmising that Jane is hiding something. Mr Dixon and Mss Campbell's marriage must to have been a shock to Jane, who surely had to feel alone and sad, at a time in which she see how her age of independece is approaching, without having assured her means of life. The illness of Jane is described like something mysteriously: a cold she had caught a long time ago, after Miss Campbell's marriage, but she had never mentioned it before. I think she could have some psichological problems because of her personal situation in life. Don't you believe that it is very strange that Jane have decided "to retire of all pleasure of life to penance and mortification for ever"? As well, It is not surprising that she have decided to go to Highbury, rejecting Mr and Mrs Dixon invitation, in spite of her wish if seeing Ireland?
Otherwise, don't you think that Emma looks as if inconsciously she be a little jealous of Jane in relation to Frank Churchill? I believe that Emma could not forgive Jane's hermetecism, not only because she is a gossip woman.
Finally, I would like to emphasize Jane Austen's mastery and ability to introduce different incertainties at the beginning of the first and second chapters of the volume two in order to capture the reader's attention.

María. Av. 1-D dijo...

I think she has chosen the date of leaving Mr. Campbel´s house because she thinks that she has enough age to do it, and she has to make her own life with her aunt and her grandmother but, not because of Miss Campbel´s marriage. I believe that it is easy that she may feel sad because she is going to have a big change in her life.

marta dijo...

Cesar, don´t worry about it, I honestly can't remember and I don't have your essay here, they are all at school since I marked them on Thursday morning.
Isidro, E wonderS...must have been. Without TO....she seeS...that J haS decided... emphasize A's wish to...NOt only has to be followed by BUT ALSO.... Careful with the s I think you should write a shorter comment and check the mistakes. But much of what you've written is fine, so please continue.
I agree with you that there is something amiss about Jane, something hidden and E spots it. But I think she suspects only because she is jealous of her and a gossip, there's something hidden? Then there is something to think about.
I agree that she is jealous too of Frank Churchill and the attention he pays to J, as she is a rival not like H.
I´ll read the other comments later as I have to go. You have used the subjunctive well, well done

marta dijo...

María, she is old enough to do it.
She has to lead her life with....
Yes it might be so and it might be that she wants to get away from Mr. Dixon, but the only thing I wonder is why didn't Mr.Dixon propose to Jane if he was rich??

Belén A1d dijo...

Mates!! I must confess that I couldn´t keep my curiosity under control therefore I´ve seen Emma´s film!! Performed by British actors and actresses with a proper British accents, indeed. But it´s not that bad because I´ve made almost-two-hour listening practice (I´ve seen certain parts twice). Besides, I´m not ashamed of having done it; in fact, had I known what a gorgeous the ending is I would have seen it sooner!!!It is amazing and brilliant but, above all, it is surprising! Don´t be afraid, my dear fellows, because I don´t dare say a word of it. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

María. Av. 1-D dijo...

Please Belen could you tell me where have you seen this film? I Like to see it so much. Thanks.

Isidro dijo...

I have written a comment on the blog, but it is not have been published. The last comment I can see is Marta's of 20 december. Know anyone what is the problem with the blog?

Belén A1d dijo...
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clara dijo...

When Emma thinks about Mr Elton’s returning and his marriage to a rich woman, she is really comparing this situation with Harriet’s and she realizes that Harriet has always wanted to meet with Mr Martin, hear his voice, ... I think E knows that H was seriously in love with Mr Martin, and she seems feel better knowing that Mr Martin’s sister left a note for H at Mrs Goddard's as she didn't stay there at the moment, this means there might be a making up between Mr M and H. This could be that E is changing her mind and puting her ideas aside wanting to help H?

clara dijo...

Belén I did it. I saw the film, and I loved it.

Isidro dijo...

Oh dear! Finally, I have realized that I couldn't see the last comments because they were on a hidden window. When I wrote my comment from 17 january and I saw that it didn't appear published, I thought I had made a computer mistake and I wrote it again. This is the reason why my comment should have appeared in duplicate. I'm sorry.
Marta, I'm very sorry because of my mistakes with the "s". Not a mistake of this kind would I repeat in the future.

Anónimo dijo...

I'm Amparo and I have the chapter 21 of Emma.We don't know a lot lof things about Mrs Elton, only are speculations. Perhaps, she is beautiful,but it is clear that she has a lot of money or that seems.Mr Elton has found the happiness.It said "from perfect misery to perfect happines.Poor Emma, her imagination can have dangerous consequences,like her treatementof her protégée Harriet Smith.Weel,such is life!

clara dijo...

Amparo, I have the same idea as you in all concerned to Mrs Elton but not about Mr Elton because I think he has not found the happiness, he has just found money. Although is well known that money doesn’t give to you the happiness, but it imitates it very well.

marta dijo...

Belén I'm going to kill you!!! Why on earth did you do that???? Please don't tell the story and read the novel. I strongly advice the others not to do that we will watch the film when we have read the novel I myself will bring it to the class but if you see the film it spoils the novel.
I'm glad you found it so surprising and so good, it is good but you should have avoided temptation!!

MARTA dijo...

María I FORBID YOU TO SEE THE FILM AND EVERYBODY ELSE FOR THAT MATTER.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT TILL WE FINISH THE NOVEL

marta dijo...

Isidro, does anyone know..?...I will explain what you have to do tomorrow.
Clara I'm going to kill you too. The link is forbidden and I'm going to delete that message right now. I'm very angry with all of you, you have to follow instructions not do what you like.

marta dijo...

Amparo..they are only....or that it seems...don't forget the subject!
Clara do you think that E is sorry for what she has done? She has said she didn't repent she still thought that she had done well in separating H and Mr.M.
I think Amparo is right he has found happiness, well he wanted money and a wife he has got both, he must be happy!

clara dijo...

Marta don't worry about my watching the film. I'm not going to say anything to anyone, I'll keep the secret. I'm reading the book, it's not the same. Films can't substitute Books, they're much more interesting; and reading them you can see many things the authors want you to know. And in most cases in a film you can't see the author's feelings. I'd recommend everybody that they read the book, not only for these reasons but also to practise the inversions and so on.

Belén A1d dijo...

Marta, I´ve already said I wouldn´t dare say a word. Never would I spoil the surprise!. Besides, of course I´m going to keep on reading; books are always better than films.

clara dijo...

Had Harriet known what it was going to happen with Mr. Elton, she would have continued with Mr Martin.
‘But for Emma’s trying to make a match Harriet would have been with the person she loves.

marta dijo...

Clara and Belén thank you for your comments and I know that you will read the book but I don't want anybody to do that way round, ok? Please!!!
Clara, had H known what was going...what is the subject it comes before the verb so it must be so!!
The other sentence is fantastic well done. You are right E has done more damage than she thinks, sometimes you only have one opportunity in life and if you lose it you are done for.
However H is a very weak person and she is easily manipulated and that is bad too. Beware of the people who try to do good to you they often ruin your life specially if you are weak!!

clara dijo...

Marta you’re right, when saying weak people can be manipulated and their life can be ruined, but don’t think like that, despite I’ve realize along my life that in all relationships there is a person with a stronger character, and always manipulates the others, but that manipulation could be good, if the person has a kind heart and is clever enough for not hurting you or destroy your life, as I see Mr Knightley.

clara dijo...

... or destroying your life

marta dijo...

Clara, there's a person....who manipulates the others...and is clever enough not to hurt or....
I disagree in part Clara, Mr.K is not that kind of person in my opinion. He does not manipulate E he just gives her his opinion and let's her act as she wishes, he gets angry but that is all. The kind of person I mean does more what E does with H. If H doesn't find another man and stays single it is partly E's fault. She is also to blame as she need not have done what E told her to do. And then there are people who are worse than E and completely handle the lives of others sometimes not even being aware of it.
Your correction was fine but you have to use the inf not for+gerund

María. Av.1 - D dijo...

I believe that Harriet follow in love with Mr. Martin for the way she arrived Emma´s house, very nervous and scarcely she could speak and I love also the way Emma realise Mr. Matin is a good man.

Óscar dijo...

Never could I imagine that Emma were interested in a man like Churchill.


Not until she knew him very well, did she realized if Mr. Churchill could be the perfect husband.

clara dijo...

I think I didn’t explain things correctly the other day, I didn’t want to say Mr K were manipulating E, I wanted to say that he’s clever and has a kind heart, so if he manipulated anyone this manipulation wouldn’t be bad.
On the other hand, we are supposing H is very weak, but she could be interested in get a better position in society so she has to accept these things. She might not be so weak and innocent as she seems to be.
Marta, Can I say ‘there is a person with a stronger character, who always manipulates the others’?

marta dijo...

María, I believe that H is still in love with Mr.M...the very nervous condition in which she arrived at E's house. Scarcely could she speak!!! And ...the way in which E realises that Mr.M....
Don't translate from Spanish ok?Try and follow the English structure and do the links well ok??
Continue posting you'll see how you improve

marta dijo...

Oscar, a very good effort but try and do the cohesion of the sentences a little better. Ok?
The first inversion is fine but I would say...that E BE interested using the present rather than the past though it is not wrong.
The second is correct but you have to say: Not....did she REALISE, the inf without to after aux verb.

marta dijo...

Clara,MR.K WAS manipulating....
but she could be interested in getting.
Yes you can, if the subject is indefinite you can do it and you say A person.
I don't think that Mr.K is capable of manipulating anyone, the meaning of the word is very negative. If you are good and honest you can advice but never manipulate. And moreover we never see Mr.K manipulating as E does for instance, he always gives counsil or his opinion but he doesn't try to convince E.
I think H is stupid, candid, silly but i don't see what you suggest.
What do the rest think???

Isidro dijo...

Marta, I agree with you. Mr. K is sincere and when he talks he says what he really thinks. For exemple, when he said that Mr. Martin was a good party to Harriet he gave some good reasons, and when he spoke about the love of Mr Martin to Harriet he spoke about a fact. On the contrary, at the begining, Emma intended that Harriet Should think that Mr. Elton was in love with her, without having any prove. And what is more surprisingly, in my view, is that, after Mr. Elton marriage, Emma should continue to intend avoid the relationship between Harriet and Mr. Martin. Any doubt have I that Emma would lie to achieve her target.
Poor Harriet! She is so silly that she doesn't realize she is lossing the possibility of being happy. Mr K. looks unachievable to her, Emma's mouth waters when she sees Frank and it looks that there is no other possibility.

marta dijo...

Isidro, Mr M cannot be a party i.e fiesta. You mean H would do well with Mr.M...Mr.M's love for H..after Mr.E's marriage...E should wanting to prevent...No doubt have I, the adv has to be negative not positive:any is positive!!
E's mouth waters....and it seems.
I agree with you in all that you say. H is silly E is panting for Frank etc. What I don't understand is what you mean about Mr.K

María. Av. 1-D dijo...

Never could I think that Emma’s reaction might be in this way when she met with Mr. Churchill for the first time. It seems to me a bit more colder than I hoped, because she wanted to met him. She wanted to see him.
In no time could I imagine Emma’s reaction .
Mr. Churchill is very polite and he seems very happy with everything he sees or know from Highbury...

clara dijo...

Have I never seen such terrible situation when in chapter 24 Mr Ch and E spend a morning together, and logically they have enough time to speak about many things, among them, they speak about Miss F.
Emma criticises her being reserved. She sees her in a way that thinks it’s impossible for her to be a friend of her, as she never could attach herself to anyone so completely reserved as Miss F is. This is what makes Mr Ch say that it’s a most repulsive quality, indeed.
I don’t know if ‘repulsive’ has in English the same meaning as it has in Spanish, but if it does, I find it a very strong expression. I mean if this adjective is as negative there as it’s here. Furthermore, he thinks that this kind of feature in her character means that there’s something to conceal. It’s curious but when someone is incapable of getting enough information about an acquaintance’s life it seems to have to say something bad about him or her.

clara dijo...

have I never seen such a terrible situation...
in a way that she thinks...

anatejada dijo...

it surprises me as much as it does to isidro why emma doesnt approve the relationship between harriet and mr martin,once her plan has failed.She does not realize that harried could became a burden and a boring responsability for her.

marta dijo...

María when she met F.Churchill.... a bit colder than I.... She wanted to meet him... Never could I....he sees or knowS.
Well actually the fact that E was so interested in Frank and so disappointed with his not coming, rather indicated that she was much more interested in him than she thought, don't you think?

marta dijo...

Clara, NEVER have I seen... the adv at the beginning and then the inversion. She sees.... in a way which makes it impossible.... a friend of herS...
I agree with you, but I think that Frank is saying that partly to please E. He wants to please her specially and everybody too, that is what I don't like about him. You can't please everybody and also he is mean in his comments about Jane. It is not manly to criticise a woman and E too talking like that to a stranger!!

marta dijo...

Anatejada, it surprises me as much as it surprises Isidro.. approve of the relationship...
I agree with you that H is going to be a problem maybe for her, but the selfish and domineering cares little about that, I need you I use you. I don't to hell with you!

Isidro dijo...

Marta, in the last paragraph of my previous comment, I intended to show my astonishment about Harriet indecision. I didn't wanted to show my opinion about Mr Knightley but Harriet's view.
I believe that Harriet can't think in marrying Mr Knightley, because she considers him very superior than herself. I recognize that it is only a guess, but I think it is a very logical conclusion, if we remember that Harriet only conceive the idea of marrying Mr. Elton because of Emma's manipulation. And in my opinion, Mr Elton is an inferior degree than Mr. Knightley.
Nowhere will we find a more pusillanimous woman than Harriet. I think that only when she should see that everybody get marriet, Emma included, she will decide to accept Mr Martin's proposition. Altough then it could be too much late.

marta dijo...

Isidro, I didn't WANT, inf without to after modal verb, ok?... that H only conceived the idea...
I agree with you about H. She is a fool, and so she is manipulated by a more intelligent person.
Why on earth would she think of Mr.K? She has only considered Mr. E because Emma put it into her head, Mr.K is far above her and she is not presumptious, she always considered Mr.E too good for her, even when he got engaged she didn't blame him thinking it was natural for him to marry somebody better than herself!
However she is really stupid, we can't deny that fact.

clara dijo...

The first sentence in chapter 25 says ‘Emma’s good opinion of Frank Churchill was a little shaken the following day, by hearing that he was gone off to London, merely to have his hear cut.’ In my opinion if this had happened nowadays it wouldn’t have been anything important, but at the beginning of the 19th century it took a long time to get there, about 50 miles were so far at that time. E is right when she thinks like that, but I go further, has Mr Ch anything to solve in London? He’s trying to conceal anything there? If not, it wants to say he is too posh, like a mad man.

Mª Av1-S dijo...

Clara,I agree with you. It is quite odd that Frank has gone to London only to have his hair cut. Even the Westons try to excuse him. Although ,for me, it is clear that they want Frank to marry with Emma. However, little has Emma thought over to imagine that Frank almost fall in love with her and that her attitude stop him.

clara dijo...

It might be, María, Mrs Weston is anxious for his being a favourite with Mr Woodhouse, what might mean that she wants his approval for their relationship.

Isidro dijo...

Only very little has Emma been shaken about Frank's nonsense hair cut. Sacarcely saw she him again she was delighted with him. In my opinion it is necessary that she should be in love with Frank for justifying him saying: " silly things cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudence way". In my opinion, Emma's mind is unable to think properly about Frank.

marta dijo...

Clara, I agree with what you say about Frank, nowadays distance is nothing but at that time to go to London, although it was 16 miles away only, was quite incredible and it does show that he is spoilt and too conceited about himself and his looks. I suppose it would be like going to have your hair done in Paris for today's standards. Not quite what the average person does!!! Do you think he is hiding something?? Probably but that would be better than going to have a haircut, it is frivolous and trivial.

marta dijo...

María, of course the Westons want him and E to marry! That would be a perfect situation for all the parties. Careful with your last sentence the meaning is not clear, I can't make out your meaning. What exactly do you mean? Tell me so that I can correct it.
I think that E wants him to like her, I think she is very willing to find a beau in him!

marta dijo...

Isidro, Frank's nonsensical haircut...scarcely DID she see him again THAN she. It is a negative adv so you need the aux and scarcely needs a link.
I agree with you so that is why I think she is in love. When one is in that state one is unable to see things clearly which is what happens to E.
Clara, the link is WHICH not WHAT, what is nominal we want the relative ok?

Carmen Segura dijo...

Chapter 18

In this chapter there is an interesting argument between Emma and Mr K.
Mr K. does not like Frank Churchill because he is neglecting his duty by not visiting his father, and he thinks that a man have to do his duty.
Emma defends Mr Churchill because she thinks that the Churchills are blamed in keeping him away.
She considers that we don’t have to judge anybody if we don’t know perfectly the interior of a family because sometimes the parents do emotional blackmail to their children.
I agree with Mr K. in that a middle-age men has to do his duty but in other hand I agree with Emma because sometimes it is difficult due to a special situation and emotional sentiments.

Carmen Segura dijo...

Chapter 20

In this chapter we know Jane Fairfax who is an orphan girl and was educated for for educating others in order to earn money for living.
It is curious that in that time when a woman had to work was considered a bad think, like a noviciate, it meant sacrifice and retirement of pleasures.
Now a day on the contrary it is a good think to work and to be independent economically.

Other interesting question about Emma’s character is her disliking to Jane.
Mr. K , who knows Emma perfectly, says that the reason is because Emma sees in Jane the “really accomplished” woman, which she wanted to be.
I think this is a very common sentiment, to dislike or to criticise a person who is better than us.

Mª Av 1-S dijo...

Hi Marta, I´m sorry that my comment was not clear, what I tried to say is:
"Litte has E thought over to imagine" because if she had seriously thought about her behavour towards F and F´s towards her, she wouldn´t have imagined that he almost loves her, she would have noticed that the fact is that she has been flirting with him intead of stopping him. Moreover, at least by now, F has been very kind, but there is no proof to think that he loves her.
By contrast, her wishes make her imagine that other things are happening, so she suggests that "F. almost fall in love with her and that her attitude stop him".

Carmen Segura dijo...

Chapter 25
We can notice that everybody likes Mr Frank except Mr.K., who thinks he is trifling and silly.
So far I do not have a whole opinion about Mr Frank. Although everybody considers hi is and attractive character and he flatters with style, there is something that I do not like.
I notice something false in him.

Chapter 26
Emma accepts to go to a party at Coles’, despite her scruples about their social position.
I think that she loves to be admired from people and a party is a good place for showing her abilities –like to play the piano.
In this party Emma spends a lot of time gossiping about Jane Fairfax because Emma suspects that it could be a loving relation between Mr Dixon and Jane.
Mr Frank is very attentive with Emma and it seems like they were against Jane Fairfax.

marta dijo...

Carmen,a man haS to do his duty...the Churchills are to blame... I fear that I don't agree with you I agree with Mr.K he is right I think Frank Churchill did not come because he didn't want to. Who can ask you not to go and see your father??
...when a woman had to work IT was...it is a good thinG... to be economically independent, the adj before the noun... Another interesting question.
On this I agree with you E is jealous because J is better and she knows. That is why she dislikes her. The reserve is an excuse.

Mercedes, AV1D dijo...

They have spent a lot of time gossiping about who gave the pianoforte to J.Fairfax and it sounds to like it Emma but the situation becomes no good when E. knows about Mr. Knig. took in his carriage to Ms. Fairfax and in that point Mrs. Weston suggests that Mr. K. fall in love with Ms.Fairfax, Em. got angry with this and replied: Mr. K. must no marry on account of little Henry.
Could anybody explain me who is "little Henry"?, here, I get lost.
But, anyway E. is again a dominant person, she says who has to get married and who not.

Anónimo dijo...

Mercedes, little Henry is one of Emma's nephews, and in my opinion what is incredible is that Mr. K. should think more of this boy than of himself. What a society!
I am Brianda, by the way

Isidro dijo...

What do you think about Emma’s suspicion regarding Mr. Dixon’s feeling toward Miss F? And what about the accident in the water party in which Mr Dixon is surprised saving Jane? I can’t help to think about the similarity between this situation and Emma’s in the carriage with Mr Elton. No doubt did I have that Emma thinks Miss Fairfax and Mr Dixon’s accident only was the explanation they gave to hiding the reality, when they were seen together in a delicate attitude.

marta dijo...

María, thought over to imagine doesn't make sense. But the rest of the comment is perfect and now I understand what you mean. I agree with you E is leading him on as she did with Mr.E according to her brother-in-law and to us all. Well done you see how you can do it???
Carmen I agree with you, what makes us distrust him is the fact that he took so long to come and now he is so pleased with everything and everyone, why hadn't he come before??? He looks false to me.
...to be admired BY...like playing the piano...
E is nasty about J I think that is bitchy, she is trying to make F see J's faults probably because she is a rival. E is not stupid!

marta dijo...

Mercedes, little Henry must be and is Isabella's eldest son and consequently heir to Donwell if Mr. K doesn't have children. E is very selfish and why does she get angry? Because she wants to shine in everybody's eyes and if Mr.K marry she would lose her priviledged position with him. I suppose she considers Mr.K hers.
...it sounds to like it E, doesn't make sense, what do you mean??
I think E is very mean to suggest what she is suggesting for the piano is expensive and to get it from a married man would indicate something horrible, don't you think?

marta dijo...

Brianda you are absolutely right, that shows that E thinks exclusively of herself.
Isidro, I can't help thinking...no doubt Do I think... as the other verb is in the pres. Don't use the inversion there I think I DO THINK THAT would be equally emphatic and better for style reasons.
I can't believe E can be saying all those things, she is a gossip and she is very mean too, are women like that?? I'm afraid we are so.
I can't think how Jane's reputation can survive after all those slanderous suggestions.

Isidro dijo...

What a classist woman is Emma! At first, she didn’t want the Coles Should invite her because she considered them inferior people. But what is more surprising to me is that she should sorry she couldn’t show them more clearly her disdain because of her father’s habits.
However, after knowing that Donwell and Randalls had received the invitation and none had come to her father and herself, she became upset, because he couldn’t help thinking that all her friends will be there.
Emma is looking forward to being invited. Therefore, not a moment will she lose to accept when the invitation should arrive.
Emma’s eagerness of prominence is boundless.

cesar dijo...

Some phrases.

She would follow him wherever he went.
I wish the neighbour stopped playing the piano.
Under no circumstances should children be alowed to go out alone at night.
No sooner had he finished his cigarette than he light another one.
Had I heated the ice it would have turned to water.
Had he taken my advice he would not have married María.
Should you have any difficulty in learning maths look for a teacher.

marta dijo...

Isidro, she didn`t want the Coles TO INVITE her. You have to use the inf as subj equivalent after verbs of order.
The rest is fine well done.
What E does is normal, you are class conscious but of course if the person you like is going to go you want to go too. E is pampered but human, don't you think?

marta dijo...

Cesar, this is not the idea, the sentences are ok, but you have to write about E using the new structures ok?
If I wanted you to write sentences I would tell, I want you to write about E experimenting with the new structures. So please stick to what I say.

clara dijo...

Isidro, I agree with you. What you’ve written about E is right. Has she never thought about lower class people who surround her. Although we see this very clear in E, we don’t have just to blame her, this kind of thought has its origin in her upbringing, as this way of thinking was general in upper class people at that time. It’s funny to see how she doesn’t want to attend the party at all, but when she realizes her friends are invited but she isn’t, she gets nervous thinking she isn’t going to be there and this is horrible, she is being left aside, she feels angry and sad at the same time, she’d have like that nobody had accepted the invitation, but her friends this time have decided what to do without following her prospects.

marta dijo...

Clara she would have liked...
I agree with you it is not her fault completely, but it is surprising how her principles waver when she feels like doing something.
She is class conscious, it is true more than the rest of her circle, but that in itself wouldn't be so bad if she were a good person, I don't think she is a bad person she just needs to learn and see what is important in life.

Isidro dijo...

Clara, I agree with you. In that time, upper class people didn’t take care of lower class people. However, in the novel, nobody manifests so much interest in showing their superiority as Emma does. What is not acceptable, in my opinion, is Emma’s obsession in making feel her superiority. For example, I think that, in the case of the invitation of the Coles, if Mr Knightley had been in the situation of rejecting the invitation, he never would have been interested in showing any disdain, as Emma does. I believe that Emma sometimes doesn’t think and doesn’t behave properly, and it’s one of the reasons of Mr Knightley and Emma’s discussions.
Marta, I agree with you in thinking that she is not a bad person and that she only needs to acquire experience.
Emma’s behavior contrast with Mr Knightley’s who doesn’t need underestimate anybody to be considered superior. As a sign of compatibility between kindness and superiority, I transcribe this fragment of a conversation between Mr. K and Miss Bates, I have just read in chapter 28:
“I’m going to Kingston. Can I do anything for you?
Oh! Dear, (…) Mrs Cole was saying the other day she wanted something from Kingston.
Mrs Cole has servants to send. Can I do anything for you?
I’m sorry my comment should be too long.

María. Av. 1-D dijo...

It seems to me incredible how Emma and Frank are wasting their time talking about Jane in the party but it is really fantastic when Emma realizes that Frank is looking intently across the room at Jane, who is exactly on the opposite side and Emma asks What is the matter?, Frank says that he is not able to keep his eyes from her because of her hairstyle. This is a beautiful answer which should give only a person who is in love.

clara dijo...

María, your point is funny; can you imagine the situation nowadays in a party here, in Madrid? The person would wear spiky-several bright colour hear or with a Mohawk haircut, but it’s not the idea,... under my point of view, the thing is that Mr Ch is always saying bad things about J, and sincerely, this is something estrange, it seems that he wants to please E the whole time, but this kind of deep look makes me imagine that it’s not casual, as if it were given wanting to say something to E...

clara dijo...

I wanted to say; 'this is something strange'.

Isidro dijo...

Maria I think like Clara. But when I read this passage first I thought there was a contradiction between his intent look and his words: …”so very odd a way….”I never saw anything so outré”
Certainly, there is something strange in Frank’s behavior. He always talks badly about Jane, to such an extent than even Emma has had to defend her sometimes.
I think that either Frank is upset with Jane for something we don’t know or he is only exaggerating because he is trying to attract Emma.

marta dijo...

Isidro, on the whole your 1tst comment is very good but remember the S!!! E's behavoiur contrastS...need TO understimate...
As I say your comment is fine and I agree with most of what you say, E wants people to notice she is above the rest or notice she is of a better family, etc.
I like your quote, it is very good to refer to the novel, thank you for putting up here.

marta dijo...

María I disagree with you I think he says it because there was something wrong with her hairstyle, F is quite nasty about J to please E.
Clara, what you say might be right, but so far the only reason we can appreciate for those criticisms is that he wants to please E. If he suddenly finds himself interested in the person he criticises, it is possible, but we'll have to wait and see

marta dijo...

Isidro I think you are right, and you are writing much much better, well done. I see improvement.
María, thanks to Isidro's quote you can see that he was criticising her hairstyle, not praising it.

María. Av.1-D dijo...

Isidro I don´t think that Frank is trying to attract Emma because I think he really is in love with Jane but, he hides his feelings for now until he is sure that it is reciprocated by her.
Yes Clara It seems to me that there are something strange in his behavior. I think that Frank thinks one thing but say another different thing. Never did he say something clear when he talks about Jane,

clara dijo...

Before commenting next chapters I wanted to make a comment about what Mr K said very angry about Mr Ch while he was singing with J. Had they just finished their first song when the guests asked them for another one, thinking that J wouldn’t get tired by singing only one more song. But Mr K grew angry, and said that that fellow just thought of himself and that he only wanted to show off his own voice. He asked Miss Bates to go and interfere. I think this is a bit exaggerated, so if we join this, and what Mrs Weston had been telling E about what she thought of Mr and J (that we were speaking about in class last day) it could mean that he might be falling in love with her.

Reyes dijo...

I have read all the comments about Mr.Ch´s behaviour, and all of themm can be right but I have another point of view.

I think Mr.Ch. is always telling bad things about J. because he is a very intelligent, clever and a bit manipulative man when he wants to obtain what he really wishes, so he is trying to avoid that E suspects of his intentions and discovers his feelings about J.

Sometimes , when we are interested in someone, insted of complimenting it , we do the opposite one, we criticize it in order to nobody discovers our real intentions.

And E. is an expert in these subjects. In my opinion, Mr.Ch.´s behaviour is a simple tactic.

Reyes dijo...

While E, is thinking about what Mr. Ch has told her , she does not pay attention on J. because as everybody knows, E. doesn´t like J. because she is a perfect rival for her.

Mr. Ch has realized it and that explains his attitude and behaviour with E. and with J., also.

Isidro dijo...

María and Reyes, it is possible that you be right, because Jane Austin is very good in creating apparent situations which could hide unexpected realities. But I would like you should say the facts you have found to support your suspect.
The only one I have found is this: when Emma discovered Frank’s look at Jane. I think that his answer was not convincing because Jane was there for a long time and Frank had already seen her and had paid her his compliments “en passant”. So, in my opinion, it is not credible that he were shocked by Jane’s hear style, when Emma asked him for his look.
Reyes, it is possible that Frank wanted anyone to know his intentions. But for this, it was not necessary to be impolite, inconsiderate and even rude to Jane, as I think he was in this passage:
“You speak too plain. She must understand you.
I hope she does. I would have her understand me. I am not in the least ashamed of my meaning.
(………..)
I have now a key to all her odd looks and ways. Leave shame to her. If she does wrong, she ought to feel it.”
In my opinion, Frank was cruel because he knew that Jane understood him.
Reyes, acting this way I am sure that nobody will discover his real intentions, Jane included.

Isidro dijo...

...Jane's hair style...I'm sorry.

marta dijo...

María, there is something...but says another...never...when he talks about Jane. Careful you are doing fine but these mistakes are easily corrected if you reread before posting.
Clara, the sentence with had, cannot be inverted. It is not a conditional sentence nor a negative adv ok?

marta dijo...

Reyes, is trying to avoid E's suspicions...and discovering...as Avoid takes the gerund.
...of complementinghim or her... in order that nobody discovers.
Reyes and Clara and María you could all be right or not we have to read the book for that. And if you have seen the film do not say anything PLEASE.
The only things that is sure for me is that Mr.Ch is really stupid and he wants to boast his voice as everything, he migt be rich but who wants him???

marta dijo...

Isidro your suspicion...Frank wanted nobody to...
You are very right, there has to be proof of what you say or think if you don't provide the proof it is not there.
I think the ladies tend to rely on their sixth sense and they should do what you do go to the text and quote.

marta dijo...

I couldn't resist posting message 333

María. Av. 1-D dijo...

Marta I didn´t see the film becasue you told us that it was better not to see it until we finished of reading the book.

marta dijo...

Well done María, that is the best thing to do, we have to wait and see what happens at the end of the novel.

clara dijo...

At the beginning of the next chapter, E says how happy she is, not only because she had a great time at the party but also because she considers herself the soul of the party and she has good recollections.
At first, she didn’t want to go because of her belonging to an upper class, but now that things have gone very well she thinks it was a good idea not to be in seclusion, now she thinks the Coles are worthy people who deserve to be happy. She changes her mind according to her needs and wishes.

Ana Martínez Esteban A1 S dijo...

It is difficult to know Frank’s true intentions. Hardly can we speculate. It seems he apparently likes Emma, however when we observe some odd details in his proper behavior( in the last chapters), we can suppose different reasons as what I have read in this blog . I consider as a strange behavior the fact of having his hair cut when he is in Randall only for a few days, as well, the regards toward Mss Fairfax at Cole’s party, and a certain false attitude to Emma. In my opinion, although Emma was firstly delighted with Frank’s personality, now she perceives some features that she doesn’t like at all. I believe Emma is feeling very disappointed with Frank Churchill.

marta dijo...

Clara, but I also think that E here is showing that she is capable of change, she is admitting that she was wrong in judging without having ever been, don't you think?
It is true that she often acts according to her wishes and she convinces herself that things are the way she wants them to be, but I think that on this particular occasion she realises that she had been judging without knowing exactly how things were or how people were.

marta dijo...

Ana, at the Coles' party.
I agree that E might be seeing some things in Frank that she doesn´t like but she still very much impressed with him, I think she still likes him immensely.
If not why was she so pleased at the Coles'? She was pleased because she was the person whom everybody paid attention too and because of Frank in my opinion.

Mª Av 1-S dijo...

Ana, I agree with you, we only can speculate about F´s true intentions, and as he says "sometimes one conjectures right and sometimes one conjectures wrong".
Apart fom his intentions, I think his behavour is quite wrong. Since The Coles´ party he seems to be really interested in E., in fact, now he´s planning a new ball and he wants to E. starts it danging with him. Then, if he loves J., as some of you guess, he´s hurtig E. and J.´s feelings. On the other hand, if he loves E., there is no reason for him to insist on talking about the pianoforteat as he does at J´s home.

María. Av. 1-D dijo...

I think that Emma now has doubted at least two important things one of them is that perhaps she has told to Frank some thing about Jane that she should be omited and the other thing is that she recognizes her inferiority of her own playing and singing. From my point of view, she is being reasonable. Better late than never.

Mª Av1-S dijo...

Sorry, in my last comment I made some mistakes, I wanted to write: he wants Emma to start dancing with him, and... the pianoforte as he does at J´home

Mercedes AV 1D dijo...

With respect to the three characters: F.C., Em,and J. Fairfaix, I think they are an interesting group, of course E. is jealous of J.F.,
E. is jealous of everybody may be similiar to her in elegance and knowledge, we can see J.F. plays the piano better than E.
When E. has an opportunity she tries to hurt J.F. with her words,however I have noticed that J.F. doesn't say anything oustanding, I don't know what she is thinking, she looks a cautious person, she doesn't account on society's gossip.
And finally we have F. C. He is a character who has been waited for him since the first chapter and now he appear with a mysterious halo.
In other words, only E. is a definible and well known character the other two are a mistery not only with respect their feeling but also with their lifes

marta dijo...

María you are right he is a bastard he is playing with everybody.
María 4thD, ...told Frank...that she should have omitted.
I agree with what you say about E, if she can admit that she has been wrong she is getting better.

marta dijo...

Mercedes, E is jealous... of everybody WHO...she seems a cautious person...he is a character whom we have been waiting for...and now he appearS...with respect to their...
It is true that the others are a mistery and E is the only one we know something about.
There is a mistery in the story for sure. Jane is hiding something and if she is not, with her attitude she makes us think that she is.
Frank is horrible in my opinion, I don't like him at all.

clara dijo...

I agree with you in your telling that there is something hided in Mr Ch and J lives. To such an extend have they been hiding something that in these chapters all of us have noticed it, but the problem is that they don’t seem to have interest in each other at all, according to his behaviour, he never pays attention to her, moreover Mr Ch said E, when they were talking about something that happened during J and his journey on a boat, in their coming to the village, they hardly met J before.

María. Av. 1-D dijo...

Marta I would like to say something about Frank Churchill.
I think that Frank is not so horrible. It is posible that he be a conformist person who is able to find the beauty in every place that he sees or knows and for this reason he likes everything in whatever place he goes to visit. Maybe he likes the little village.

Clara dijo...

When Mr Ch is called back to his aunt’s house, he goes to take leave to E. What a cheek he’s got! He has the nerve to say he couldn’t bear another place, as if it were he best place in the world. Luckily E, who is very witty and clever in this sense, gives him a good answer, but as if not important, if you had had this idea of Highbury you would not have been so long in coming. And in the same tone, and laughing, as if it didn’t have importance at all, she asks him whether he’s going to say goodbye J and Mrs B. To what he answers with indifference he’s gone their house first, but just for three minutes, although he had to wait Mrs B who was out. I insist this man is very cheeky, as Marta says is a bastard. But after this conversation, more interesting things happen, but is my post the longest in the blog. I’ll tell you another day. Such a fantastic chapter!

marta dijo...

Clara, something hidden in Mr.Ch and Jane's lives...don't forget the Saxon Genitive.
There must be something because he is too good to be true, what you say about the boat scene is not very clear, do you mean that they hadn't met very after the boat scene, that they hadn't seen so much of each other at Weymouth?

marta dijo...

María, well done with the subjunctive.
I think that what you say is possible but it seems strange to me that not having ever come to visit his father now he finds that Highbury is the best place!! Isn't that a bit strange?? And also the way in which he tells E what she wants to hear he is trying to please everyone, no I don't like him.

marta dijo...

Clara, he's gone TO...he had to wait FOR.. don't forget the prepositions, they carry meaning.
Yes, I agree with all you've said, and E says exactly what I feel too and what is fitting, now he thinks the world of Highbury and he had never found time to come! He is not my man!

clara dijo...

Marta, you’re right, now I realized that what I said about the boat scene wasn’t clear, I meant that they hadn't met before the boat scene, and they hadn't seen so much of each other at Weymouth, but now I have some doubts about it. It always happens to me as I’m reading a book, my imagination flies, so at this point of the story I’m starting to think they have something for a long time, but I can’t imagine the reason why they don’t say anything about it. And his behaviour is rather strange, because scarcely have Mr Ch and E finished their conversation about the visit Mr Ch has just paid to J and Mrs B there were some awkward moments between them, he seemed very embarrassed. To such an extent was the situation strange, that E thought he was more in love with her than she could have expected. She became suspicious about what he wanted to tell her, she thought he wanted to declare his love for her. But she was lucky as his father came in and the situation was broken. It’s time to go.
Was the most important thing here that E felt better when their conversation came to an end.

Mercedes AV 1D dijo...

J.A. describes in this chapter as Emma is worried and happy to prepare the dance party, she is very busy to find an appropiate place where the ball would be make,and when she has got it, she has a nasty surprise that F.C. has to come back aunt's house becouse she is ill.
It seems to me this chapter is similar to other previous situations, for instance when E. thinks everything is happening like she hopes at the end something chances in her life, I remember me Mr.Elton's affair. One woman like Emma so solid of herself has to admite that some circunstances change her wishes; this is important in the plot to caught our attention.

Isidro dijo...

As Marta often says, Mr Woodhouse is a very comic character. He is always in the clouds. And only is he interested in being confortable. For him, it is essential that the room be convenient aired before they arrive, but it’s necessary to avoid the draught when they be there. In chapter 29 Mr Woodhouse got very upset and he spoke very badly about Frank Churchill, because he didn’t think of the draught.
And when Frank Churchill got very disappointed after Mr. Woodhouse’s objections about having the dance in the Crown, Emma got her father’s agreement after guaranteeing him the rooms would be thoroughly aired and the Crown would be very convenient for the horses because they would be near of their own stable.

Mª Av 1- S dijo...

At last E. has fallen in love!. F´s leave lets her realize and recognise that she is really in love with him. Never before has she had such kind of feelings, which are the only ones, as previously she has said, that can change her determination of being single. However, before Frank´s arrival she had already imagined him as her possible future husband, and now, that she loves him and is sure that he does too, she is imagining different and kind ways of refusing him. This girl is frankly surprising, isn´t she?.

marta dijo...

Clara, scarcely needs when as a link for the second sentence you have to write it or there's no sense.
I suppose you mean E was in love with HIM as there is no indication in the novel that E is a lesbian!!
..IT was the most important thing...or that or a question mark at the end.
Otherwise the comment is very well written and interesting well done.
I agree that there is something there, on the other hand if there is something between them why don't they say it? There is no impediment one wonders if there be not something hidden or something dishonest in them

marta dijo...

Mercedes, ...the ball would be made.. better say HELD...has to go back to his aunt's house...so confident..to catch our attention.
You are right, I think E is improving!! Slowly but starting to realise things are differently!

marta dijo...

Isidro a very good comment, you have picked on a very good scene to describe Mr.W, he is indeed wonderful....convenietly aired..would be near their...
María you have a point she is somehow truly against marriage or else she doesn't trust him or sees something that she doesn't completely like.

clara dijo...

Marta thanks for your corrections, could you tell me whether these two sentences are right or not?
Scarcely have Mr Ch and E finished their conversation about the visit Mr Ch has just paid to J and Mrs B when there were some awkward moments between them, he seemed very embarrassed.
The most important was the thing that E felt better when their conversation came to an end.

María. Av. 1-D dijo...

I would like to say that...
I agree with María. This girl is frankly surprising. She just thought one thing when suddenly changed her opinion. Now she thought that she is not really unhappy without him and begins to think that Frank is just a friend. It is very hard to understand her. This could be because she likes to live without thinking in anything else.

clara dijo...

María I don't agree with you in your thinking of E as someone who doesn't want to think. She has thought about Mr Ch and she says very clearly that if Mr Ch comes back to H and wants to have a relationship with her she won't encourage him, because she doesn't need him at all.
But in spite of having this idea, she behaves as if she was at least a little in love with him.
There is no escaping from this kind of feelings. We have in Spain a saying 'not only doesn't the market gardener's dog eat, but also doesn't let others do it '

Ana AV1S dijo...

Hello everybody,

First of all I'm sorry for having disappeared from our blog for such a long time! Having said this, today it's already too late to extend me with long comments. So I just want to point out the introduction of Mrs. Elton in "our" little country society. I think it's delightful the way she talks and talks to Emma without noticing her disgust! It's so funny how poor Emma answers her!

Besides, everytime that Jane Austen brings in a new character which is strange to Highbury she makes an slight, extraordinary ironic treatment of Emma's tiny circle. In my opinion this is consequently a subtle criticism of Emma's principles, which in addition she doesn't scruple to change according to her immediate interest.

María. Av. 1-D dijo...

Clara I think that you didn´t understand what I wanted to say. I wanted to say that she change her opinion easily. An day she fell in love of Frank and next day she realize that he is really a good friend. I try to analyze her behavior and the way she quickly changed her opinion. What do you think?

Isidro dijo...

In chapter 30, Frank got so nervous and seemed so embarrassed, when he was saying goodby to Emma, than she thought he was more in love than she had supposed. And she believed herself was in love too.
In chapter 31, she continued thinking she was a little in love, but she began to doubt about the convenience of swap love into friendship. She thought that, if her love should increase, she might suffer a conflict because of her decision to never quite her father and never to marry. So she decided to take care not to encourage Frank.
Finally, when Frank Churchill’s letter arrived, Emma realized he didn’t mention her but Harriet. So she began to speculate about the possibility Frank should be in love with Harriet. And she decided to cool herself feeling because of Mr Frank Churchill’s lack of steadiness.
In my opinion, Emma’s doubts and her uncertainty are very understandable, what is not very clear is Frank’s position. After having focused his attention on Emma all time, it is very surprising that Frank hasn’t made any allusion to Emma in his letter.

marta dijo...

Clara, THAN is better than when. The most important thing.... is the correct way the other isn't.
María... SHE changed...and SHE begins ....don't forget the subject. Every verb must have a subject!!!Thinking OF..
Yes it is true that she changes her mind very often to suit her wishes!!!

marta dijo...

Clara,...but he also the subject at the end of the saying!! and I don't like not only doesn't.. two negatives so close?? Do the sentence in affirmative and you can't put also and a negative it is weird.
I like the way you've used there is no....
Did I say exactly that?? That E doesn't think? She does think, in fact she thinks a lot about other people and plotting needs thinking. What was the context I said it in??

marta dijo...

Ana, how nice you are back...to extend myself...the way she talks...is, not it is funny the way she, ok? subject first.
As usual a very true comment I couldn't agree more with you and you put it very well.
Mrs. Elton is quite a character, what I like about her is that she is very elegant, as E admits all the time, and she is not impressed with E either she is too full of herself.

marta dijo...

María, she changed...one day she is...she realises..
Yes I think she is just wondering about her feelings and thoughts, I think we all doubt and wonder, she is young too so it is a normal thing to do, don't you think??
Isidro, well so you've decided to post again?? Let's see what you comment..she believed herself in love too...the convenience of swapping...the possibility that Frank...
A very good and complete comment. I agree that F's wishes, likes or dislikes are not clear. And E is a bit lost too now thinking that H might be the chosen one, when everybody knows that his aunt is a gorgon. How is his aunt going to accept a fatherless girl for a sister-in-law??

Anónimo dijo...

Hi mates!!!

I´m Carol. I´m new in this area, and I´m not sure if I know how to do it. I´m going to try....!
In my opinion, Frank is playing with both (Emma and Jane). He wants to seduce Emma but there is something strange about his attitude towards Jane, it´s not natural to tease her like he does it. What do you think about it?

Isidro dijo...

Marta, I think you are right. It’s possible that Frank be very influenced by his aunt, who is a domineering woman. It’s possible that she could condition him about choosing a woman, but she can’t determine all his actions.
In my opinion, Frank’s lack of consideration with Jane is unacceptable. It’s not fair that he should humiliate Jane to please Emma. And I don’t understand his indecision in the moment of saying goodby to Emma.
I agree with Mr Knightley in considering him a trifle silly man. And I believe he is also a weak-minded person. So, I don’t like at all Frank Curchill.

marta dijo...

Carol, you ar3 doing fine and I'm absolutely sure that you are right, Frank is playing with both or at least he seems to be that is why I personally dislike him. He knows he is a sensation as he is handsome rich has connections, etc. a scoundrel if you ask me!

marta dijo...

Isidro, I'm so glad you agree with me!! It is a surprise but a very welcome one and you know what? I think that you and I see things quite similarly because I couldn't agree more with you, darling I think here is a fellow feeling. Let's hope that our fellow feeling is continuous though I think it is more enriching to disagree!
Now I can't I see it exactly as you and you express it very well and with few mistakes well done!!

marta dijo...

I'm sorry I couldn't resist writing this post it is a palandrom, I love them. Aren't I stupid?

Laura de Arriba A1-S dijo...

It is when Frank Churchill has to return to Enscombe that Emma realizes she might be a little in love with him. However, as soon as he went off, she continued with her activities and she did not feel so much sorry. In my opinion, she is not really in love with Mr. Churchill. What Emma is feeling (maybe for first time) is the pleasure of knowing that somebody (a wealth and handsome man) likes her.

marta dijo...

Laura, a wealthy and handsome... You are probably right, you´ve described it very well, it is probably that, she feels fine but is not actually in love with him

Isidro dijo...

Laura, I also agree with you. I think that If Emma really were in love with Frank, she wouldn’t find so easily reasons to not to love him, in spite of Frank’s indecision.
Love is an involuntary feeling that can become a passion; and it depends on the degree of the feeling if you’ll can be able control it or not. And Emma is intelligent in trying to cooling her feeling until it be too late.
If Emma’s love were very strong she would be drugged by her passion and all reasoning would be useless. All she can say now would cease to be important when she should see Frank again. But I think that it is not the case, I believe that Emma is not really in love with Frank.
In my view, the very riddle is Frank. Apparently, it looks as if he be in love with Emma, because he is showing all his publicly attention to her, but I don’t understand his behavior. It’s possible that Carol be right when she says that Frank is playing with both, Emma and Jane. But it would be the worst of all, because the result of Frank’s behavior could be his enmity with Emma, with Jane, or with both of them, and endanger the good relationship between Emma and Mrs Weston.

Isidro dijo...

....and he also could endanger Emma and Mrs Weston's good relationship

Isidro dijo...

and he could also endanger...??

Mercedes AV1-D dijo...

I don't agree with you, I'm sorry.
I think Emma is in love with F.C, on the one hand she is the whole time thinking about him and on the other hand she doesn't want to think him, she is waiting to know if Mrs.Wenston have received a letter from him.
All chapters I have just read up to now show me she is thinking around him.
Personally I think she is looking for excuses by don't fall in love with him.

Ana AV1S dijo...

Most of the last comments are about the nature of Emma's feelings towards Frank. In my opinion, it's a difficult matter to judge because almost everything we get to know in this novel passes before through Emma's eyes. In addition, we already know that she is a little tricky interpreting situations, as for example when she was convinced that Mr. Elton was in love with Harriet. She usually sees what she wants to see, so I rather feel that she's doing it again in this case.

Emma had already thought of the possibility of marrying Frank even before he appeared. She said that if she should ever stop refusing the whole idea of being someone's wife, the elected man to get her husband would be Mr. Churchill or at least someone like him.

Moreover, I believe that Emma's being a dreamer to such an extent might not only cause disagreeable situations for other people (i.e. Harriet) but also for herself. A hint of this could be her change of opinion about her own feelings when she hears Frank's special words for her friend. There is also another dangerous consequence which usually follows such a behviour, and that's the disability of noticing what's really happening around you, so that some good choices could pass by. In point of fact, I'm thinking of the special treatment of Mr. Knightley towards Emma. Although all these last chapters centred in Frank's visit to Highbury have been very entertaining, I miss Mr. K's figure, thus I'm looking forward to any romantic scene with Emma and him!

brianda dijo...

I think like Ana and more. In my opinion after all this come and go Emma is going to find out that Mr. Knightly is the man, and as he is so gentle, he will not loose his patience with her. Don't you think?

Isidro dijo...

Mercedes, I recognize that it’s possible you be finally right, because Emma herself admit her love. In my view all depends on Jane Austin will, but it seems as if Emma’s love be losing strength. I thought like you some chapter ago, but I have changed my opinion after reading these words on chapter 31:
“Still, however, I must be on my guard. This is in the supposition of his attachment continuing what it now is; but I do not know what I expect it will; I do not look upon his steadiness or constancy. His feelings are warm, but I can imagine them rather changeable. Every consideration of the subject, in short, makes me thank that my happiness is not more deeply involved….”
I’m sorry that the quote should be so long, but I consider that it’s a crucial one. Emma is interested in her happiness above all, and she has enough motifs to mistrust of Frank’s constancy. As well, she thinks “she will have been let off easily”.
My only doubt is if she really will be able to do it when Frank should come back. I think that it depends on the intensity of the feeling. But, if I had to risk a guess I would say that she’ll get it, because what she is going to intend depends only from her. So, it is not comparable to the idea of interfere in other people’s feeling, for example in Mr Elton’s.
Regarding to Ana’s guess about the math between Emma and Mr Knightley, I think that it is a possibility to consider, if we take into account Emma’s heated reaction when Mrs Weston talk about the possibility of Mr Knightly getting in love with Jane.

Isidro dijo...

I meant ...a match
And, perhaps it would be better to say a spirited reaction instead a heated one

Isidro dijo...

In the possibility that Mr Knightly Should be in love...???

Mª Av1-S dijo...

I agree with all of you who have said that E. is in love with F. I can't doubt about it, since it is E. that tells us with all the words, even she explains her symptoms. And although E. has faults, she is honest.
Evidently, she can change her mind and she can relize that F. is not her true love.
I see that some of you want Mr. K. to be E´s lover, if things change, it may happend. In fact, F. and Mr. K. are the only possible candidates at the moment.

Ana AV1S dijo...

My dear fellows,

Happy Valentine's day to everyone!

We talk a lot about love on this blog, so I think it's a pertinent wish! I hope to see (and read) you soon, as always discussing about Emma's falling in love, determination of not marrying and matches!

marta dijo...

Isidro, not to love, that is the negative inf., if you will be able...modal verbs only appear in pres+past!.. trying TO COOL that is the inf.
I agree with you he is going to get in trouble because it seems he is playing around with two girls. E is emphatuated but when he goes she thinks about him but she is not in love.
What does...? mean? What suspense!!

marta dijo...

Mercedes, not to love him, you have a point but it does seem strange that she wonders so much about it and that she doesn't want to marry him. She is decidedly against marriage otherwise, and consequently very modern as to her way of thinking.
I agree with Ana and Brianda, I miss Mr.K.'s sense! E sees things as she wants! It is surprising that she is described as "clever" and yet so far she has erred in all her judgements. She is probably wrong about her wonderings about her being in love, so we'll have to read on to see what happens, for one so clever she makes too many mistakes!

marta dijo...

Isidro, of interference or interfering...regardin Ana's...
A very precise comment specially because the quote is very convincing! E sees things in Frank she mistrusts and that is a great impediment and a proof that she might not be in love as love is blind and she can see things.
You have corrected your comment very well, well done!
María is right that those seem the two possible candidates if she does marry which is what we don't know, remember Austen rejected a very elegible offer of marriage and remained single all her life!

marta dijo...

Ana, thank you! You are right we talk about love all day long and then forget about love's day!
Well maybe love is no longer so important or is it?
I wonder about love today are the topics about it still true? Or has it changed completely? I think the one love forever, has certainly disappeared.
Who said that marriage was the destruction of love? Or something like that I can't remember the exact quote.

Mercedes Av1D dijo...

Hi everybody, S.Valentin's day is over and we are going to follow speaking about the love in Emma's novel.
I see, it is clear that everybody thinks Emma isn't in love with F.C., in spite of this I have some doubts at that respect.
It seems to me, on the one hand she is excited about F.C.'s love but on the other hand she is weighing her own feelings, she is not completely sure about her feelings, in this case I am agreed with you.
But, I don't agree about she could be in love with Mr. K., here, I believe when she is angry with Mrs.W's commentaries about a posible marriage between Mr. K. and J.F., she is angry because she can't bring the situation under control as she would like, but why do you think is in love with him?

carol dijo...

Hi everybody!!! Happy week post-San Valentin!! Did you survive it? Because it was impossible to do something out San Valentin, everywhere was full!
Returnig to Emma, Mercedes I agree with you. In my opinion Emma isn´t in love with F.C. She is daydreaming of it because she is a young girl who wants to feel things although she doesn´t want to marry. Love is walking around her, everybody in the novel has some anxiety about it, and it´s impossible to scape from this feeling although like Emma, she should wonder it to feel it.
On the other hand, I agree also with you about Mr.K. Emma loves having things undercontrol and Mr.K. is the only thing which can scape from her. Emma is pride and it´s a question of proud but my intuition tells me it will be a surprise here at the end...

marta dijo...

Mercedes, I agree with you,.. continue talking....about her not being in love with Mr.K.
It is true that she gets angry when Mrs. W suggests that Mr.K is in love with J, but is it because she feels something for him or because she hates her? The two possibilities exist, it is always sad to lose a close friend to another woman, but she gets too angry.

marta dijo...

Carol, love is around her..she should wonder about it...E is proud..it is a question of pride..there will be a surprise here..
Well I hope you are right! E, it is true likes to have everything under control and Mr. K is not to be manipulated, that makes him much more interesting.
He is undoubtedly the best.

clara dijo...

I like Mr K a lot, and after reading this chapter I like him much more. One of the parts I like the most at this point of the story is when he thinks that it is probably that E is playing matchmaker for him. To such an extent has he been obsesed with her habit of doing it that now he doesn't feel comfortable in front of her. But E doesn't want to do it, she only wants to know about his feelings about Jane.

carol dijo...

Hi mates!

Clara and Marta I agree with you, Mr.K is the best! My intuition told me the happy end, because in all romantic novels the characters, who are opposite, always finish together.
Now, I don´t think E. is in love with him. I think she becames to feel uncomfortable about herself, and she has doubts about her attitude because she realizes that it (her attitude) is moving her further away from her best friend, Mr.K. And Mr.K is a man with principles, sensible and mature, and in my imagination very handsome!

marta dijo...

Clara, that it is probable..
I see what you mean, but do you think that Mr.K thinks that E is matchmaking with him?? I don't think he does, he is too clever a man to know that E would hate him to marry Jane. She dislikes her a lot so how could she bare to lose her very good friend to Jane?

marta dijo...

Carol, you think they are going to end together?? Well he is certainly the best of them all, E listens to what he says and though often displeased with his comments she broods them when alone and often has to admit that he is right.
I think he is helping her to grow as a human being and as Carmen said today there are examples of that change.

marta dijo...

I was just wondering, do you think Mr.J Knightly was mean when he teased Jane about the post office or that he didn't do it deliberatly?

Mercedes AV1-d dijo...

I think Mr. J. Knightly didn't tease Jane about the post office,I feel that Mr.J.Knightly is a character very English polite and conservative, for instance in the following chapter, M.J.K. got angry because M. Weston arrived the party late, and M.J.K. doesn't understand why M.Winston has prefered to go to the party that to stay alone in his house and finally he will prolong the party rather than break up as they had been expected .
But I would like to go back to Jane in the post office, this subject is very interesting so J.A. writes two chapter to talk about this, and I would like to point out about Mrs Tailor, she looks me, she is a pain in the neck about the some piece of advices to Jane, she is the whole time trying to convince Jane about the bad thing is to go the post office because she can catch cold or trying Jane knows her acquaintance, and Jane rejecting all her offers.

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