Here is the thread for you to discuss what you read during your summer holidays. In this way, we can keep in touch and exchange views and information on this novel.
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Carmen's firt proposal is "Persuasion", by Jane Austen.
10 de junio de 2008
Summer Reading for (old) Y4's
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Maria I agree with you in relation with your comment about Anne's character. But in the second part of the novel it begins to be better. Althoug I believe that it is difficult that Anne's character changes a lot, when the conditions around her are the same, because she doesn't have anything new around her that makes she changes her mind.
I don’t think Anne is either boring or weakness of mind. As it has just been said on the comments above, she behaves in a passive way, that is to say, she keeps reflecting about her sentiments without acting at all, waiting everything she wishes comes true. It remains me the poem we studied in class, “The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock”, in which we are shown that in this world there are two kinds of people, those participating in life, and those acting as merely observers. By the way, a woman being herself is much more attractive to my eyes than those willing to act as Louisa does.
Carmen, thank you for your advice; I am really glad you and Marta keep participating and helping us. People are really not conscious of the chance they are missing by not using this marvellous tool to learn the language.
As for Upstairs, Downstairs; I love butler’s pronunciation and manners. Magnificent!
María, the surprising thing about these women is that they trap clever men!!!! even if they are stupid!!!!
Anne is certainly boring,she would have little interest for me were I to meet her in a drawing room, but she would probably catch the attention of more men than I!!! she is certainly a great success with men: W, Elliot and Caharles have all admired her, and also Benwick is thought of as her admirer!!! She a men killer!!! practically the lot of the male species are or have been after her. Makes me think that most women should study this character really well when they are in love with someone
Well, somewhen men could have been clever, but from the time when they allowed women to lie them, they give up being clever for ever, and, moreover, the worst: they become as their wives. There are really many wicked women, who know how to lie "poor" men, these women who achieve things they had always wished (probably money or status), and men fall in love with them ¿?¿?¿
However, not being like that, Anne gets to have all men at her feet, without sweet-talking them. Sincerely, I think she must be very beautiful, musn´t she? Though Austen hasn´t said it. If not, I don´t understand. What does make you think, Carmen, men would look at Anne instead of you? What do you see in her that I can´t see?
My dear mates, I write to tell you I’m going on holiday tomorrow morning. I haven’t been able to write for several days because of my shoulder. Despite the anti-inflammatory, I’ve needed to be infiltrated, but it still keeps hurting me a lot and I hardly can move my harm.
I suppose I’ll finish the novel while I’m abroad, so, I’ll tell you my opinion when I come back. Have a good time! See you soon!.
Enjoy your holiday Paloma.
As the song says, "see you in september"
Paloma, have fun and recover yourself!
Yesterday Roberto, Elena and I were speaking English together in a pub. We were maintaining a very interesting conversation about men and women´s feelings which would be a very good item to talk about here. It was very funny, Elena (she has already read the novel!!) and Roberto argued in favour of Anne while I did against. I said that a woman can feel attracted by a man like Anne (I mean quiet men, mysterious ones, who sometimes usually say something intelligent...), but never happens the contrary. Men like talkative women who are the center of attention. The others go unnoticed. Don´t you think so?
I also said that if I were Anne I would explain my feelings to W and I´d tell him the reasons why I didn´t want to get married. A new life could begin, but she does nothing to get it!
a mistake: the contrary nevers happens
Yesterday I posted something and it is not here!! I wonder what i´ve done..in any case Anne is definitely boring and uninteresting from my point of view, were I to meet her in a drawing-room I think she would not draw my attention at all, and i she did it would be to pity her!!!! Just think how wrong i am particularly considering that she is a man-killer!!! How many men are there in the novel? All of them have admired her and some have actually thought of marrying her or proposed to her!!! how many men of your acquaintance have proposed to any of you??? She is increadible, don´t you think??
I have found my post of yesterday´s!!! as I´ve always said I have problems with computers!! María, men do not like noisy women!!!! That´s why they would sit next to Anne and not me!!! They like to be the centre and not overshadowed by a clever woman, that needs a man with personality and most do not have it, men like to be pampered by women not directed by them, this is why couples do not last any more. Think about this and post your comments.
Thanks for your words, Roberto you always find something nice to say to Marta and me, which by the way is VERY TRUE, but thanks for saying so!!!
Paloma, goodbye for the present and have a vey nice holiday, get well soon, those muscular problems are indeed uncomfortable!!
Anne gets better in the second part as she becomes more confident, who wouldn´t when all the cocks around you are trying to get your attention?? I also think that she gains confidence as she realizes that mr.Elliot is interested in her and very much so when Louisa...have you reached that part?? I think she starts to consider the possibility of W´s being interested in her, you know the fact that he asks for her advice as to how to break the news to Mr. and Mrs. Musgrove. These things make her consider that she is still valued. Also when Lousa falls she is the one to take the lead and bosses everyone as to what to do; by the way this is a little surprising to me if you consider what we´ve had reported of W. how can we see him as a Captain of the Royal Navy after this??? I dread to think of him in charge of a war ship!!!!! during a battle!!! Would Anne have to be at the other end of the phone, if that were possible then???
What do you think of Captain Wentworth?
María of course Roberto likes Anne HE IS A MAN!!!
Carmen, I’m afraid that I don’t agree with you. I hate being the centre and a clever woman is quite more attractive to my eyes than a very talkative one. I never said I like Anne (and I don’t) though I try to put myself in a similar condition, thus, you might notice that she is on disadvantage over Captain Wentworth. She made a mistake in the past by refusing him and it is usual that you feel afraid of showing your sentiments to the person you love because there is always a possibility of your being turned down, besides the fact that the Captain’s attention seems to be fixed in other women. Moreover, she is a woman and chances of taking the first step are limited, at least in that epoch. Finally, remember she is living with people not being her own family.
My choice is Marian Halcombe!
There is something in Anne which I also like!! Don´t take me wrong, I can admire her because she made a mistake and she is on the way to correcting it. Also because she is not envious of he rsister and is quite willing to accept her future without complaining about being unlucky which is what Mary always does!!! Anne improves and gains confidence in herself in the second part of the novel. What think is htat she draws this confidence from men, which is still common currently,(and surprisingly) as she more of a favourite with them, by the way!!, she becomens stronger
This time, I agree with you Carmen though I have not picked up your last statement “What think is that she draws this confidence from men, which is still common currently, (and surprisingly) as she more of a favourite with them”
Next Sunday, at length I will be flying to Bath and I think it better to have the book completed before living. Therefore, would you mind my posting comments related to following chapters? This morning, while reading chapter 17, I feel amazed with something quite cruel said by Sir Walter concerning Anne’s friend, explaining perfectly the sort of person he is: “… and who is Miss Anne Elliot to be visiting in Westgate Buildings? – A Mrs Smith. A widow Mrs Smith, - and who was her husband? One of the five thousand Mr Smiths whose names are to be met with every where. And what is her attraction? That she is old and sickly. – Upon my word, Miss Anne Elliot, you have the most extraordinary taste! Every thing that revolts other people, low company, paltry rooms, foul air, disgusting associations are inviting to you. But surely, you may put off this old lady till to-morrow. She is not near her end, I presume, but she may hope to see another day…”
One more thing, I liked the reasons Anne gave us, showing her doubts related to Mr Elliot’s behaviour, in the last paragraphs of chapter 17. And, what about the funniest character in the novel, Mary. Selfish as she is, at least her opinions are sincerely expressed, that’s to say, you can see she is truly when she speaks.
Sir walter is very cruel and let me tell you quite femenine in his cruelty...it´s the sort of things gays would say, don´t you think? Having said that, it was important to be seen with the right circle of people and if you think so, it is still so now!!! Who was it who went to lunch in " el Pocero´s" yatch and was widely critized.. was it a Royal? people identify you with your connections and friends. The Bennet sisters would not get husbands because they did not have connections!!!
you can of course make comments about the other chapters, I have almost finished the book myself.
Roberto, you have found the only good thing about Mary!!she is not devious at all.
I meant What do you think..sorry I was going too fast!!
Any comments about Mrs. Clay? how stupid Sir Walter is.. he ddespises low class and fails to see it in his own guest!!!
Mr. Elliot...yes there is somenthing in Mr. Elliot which baffles the reader.. he has so conquered all, even Lady Russell, but then I´m not particularly fond of Lafy Russell myself. She thinks herself clever and lots of other people think so but I consider her proper nothing else.. a limited person altogether
I feel sorry about Mrs. Clay because I think we have not discovered so much about this woman but unfair comments said by her acquaintances, I mean that there has not been an objective description of this character yet.
Carmen, I completely agree with your opinion of Sir Walter.
NOTE: Having just finished Troilus and Cressida (in Spanish of course), I can confirm that the play was quite loyal to the original text being a perfect way to learn mythology besides lots of splendid speeches.
Carmen I do not really agree with you about men’s likes. I think that the first thing that they see in a woman is her physical beauty and particularly her tits. The most incredible thing is I have learnt this last thing only one month ago because I am a completely ignorance about men. I did not believe it when a friend told me, but when I asked to my boyfriend he confessed me this. However, I am really happy for not having a big breast (in fact I do not have scarcely breast) because I prefer to think that he is with me because of my way of being. As you can see I am a really optimistic person and I do really think that there are men for every women and women for every men.
Dear Emi, that's only an opinion and I am sure that women, in the fist meeting, like men by physical apearence, too. It is a pity that you show that shallow portrait of men.
Dear Roberto, of course we also see men's physical appearence (body, face, eyes, etc), but there is something in women's breast that attract them more than another part of our body. I don't want to offend you with this. I agree with you that those men who I know are not usually so shallow, there is something more than football and women to talk to. Nevertheless, women who wear plunging necklines have very often a contact visual with men.
Emi, I completely agree with you! Our breast blinds them! I haven´t read chapter 17 yet, so I can´t read your posts about it. Now Anne has just arrived at Bath. I hate Walter and Elizabeth, such selfish people! They want to know nothing about Uppercross, they don´t feel interested about anything Anne could say. If I were Anne I would come back at Uppercross, because Mary is at least funny (if you don´t bear her "illness" in mind)and, even there, there is a family who loves and values her. However, Mr. Elliot is in Bath, and I hope he isn´t in love with Elizabeth. I don´t like Anne too much, but I want her to be happy, with Elliot or with W, but far from her father and sister.
Roberto, you must say us when you come back if it is true that there is too many ugly people in Bath!! It was very funny how Walter described Bath ugliness!
Emi I agree with you, Anne suddenly starts to thrive to become more interesting and to see things in a different light. Captain W. is a bit disappointing when he is at a loss what to do when Louisa falls down in Lyme and he looks to Anne for ideas, I wouldn´t like to be on a boat with him as the captain and trouble arising from whatever what would he have done? It is hardly possible for a sailor a war to be so lost as he was in Lyme. From that moment I am afraid he has sadly fallen in my opinion and what´s more the fact that he disappears also helps to increase that negative opinion!! Nothing like Mr.Darcy he doesn´t stand a chance against him.
María, I completely agree with you concerning Mr Elliot’s comments about women’s appearance in Bath, they being quite funny. These sort of statements, said so openly, should make us think twice before speaking.
At length Anne is realising that you must act yourself so that you might achieve what you really wish and, related to relationships, the first feeling showing you this condition takes place when you are anxious to meet the person you like, willing to make nearly everything to be noticed by him, hoping he says the right things to touch your heart.
By the way, yesterday night María, Elena, The Bandit and I went to speak the language to and Irish Pub and we enjoyed a lot. At first, we felt a little bit embarrassed, but when we were introduced to a native, things turned out great.
Mistake:
As for relationships
I agree with all of you (Emi, Marta and Roberto), W seems to be an inept Captain, and Anne has woken up!
A friend of a friend of mine has made this blog. This is the link: www.betchabottmdolla.blogspot.com Have a look, there are many interesting things
well lots of comments to think about;
I cannot resist making yet another comment of what men look at: tits and bums!!! I´m sorry Roberto, they are not shallow, they are...men!
it´s wonderful that you can get together and practise your English. It´s a bit embarrasing when you have to turn to another language and you are all Spanish native speakers but that takes a week and then you will always feel comfortable in English!!!
What you do not say is whether you discussed the novel????
Marta Capt.W is nothing to Darcy, first of all he doesn´t have 10.000a year!!! or Pemberley!!! and Anne is nothing to Elisabeth, Elisabeth makes mistakes and fails with men and that makes her human, Anne is too much of a favourite with all men and this is impossible!!! ...going for a walk with my father, in increadible heat for Santander.. let´s see how we come back!!!
When we were at Oneils we discussed the novel a little firstly, but soon English people arrived, so we started speaking about the weather (unbearable by the way, I miss Soria!), our job, and life things... I think we were very lucky because Mark, the English boy, was very patient and even he corrected us if we made some mistake.
I´ve just finished chapter 20 and I´m finally enjoying reading it. Anne seems to be other person, has left her quiet, observer, passive manners and now she acts, expresses herself, shows her feelings and opinions... From now on she will be an Austen heroine to whom we have become accustomed.
I agree with Maria. I don't like very much Anne. And how I am on Hollidays in the beach. I have a lot of time free and this is the reason why I have finished the book yet. As far as I am concerned I prefer the Elisabhet Benet's character, she had a strong personality and she knew what she liked and she made all what was possible to obtain this. She didn't permit that anybody took deccisions for her. She was more like women today are. I like more Pride and Prejudice than Persuasion.
I having nearly finished the book, Mr. Elliot’s suspicious behaviour has been disclosed at last, being a quite interesting story. Now both Anne and the reader are in position of advantage over the villain and let see how he might manage his condition from this moment on.
Paloma, sometimes you may appreciate somebody else’s hints even though you feel confident enough to act as you wish, because a new perspective might be shown to you about the issue besides the fact that if the person giving you advice is older than you are, experience grants you additional advantage.
Yes Roberto, you have a point, but I disagree in some of your words. Even though you are confident, to take deccisions, I mean vital decissions which condition your future life, it is very advisable that someone older, with experience, as you say, is near you in order to give advises. But you have to see who is giving you these advises. If you want a new perspective, you need sincere and objective people. In the novel, Anne only listened to Lady Russell, who neither was experienced woman at all (she is a single woman and we don´t know if she has been loved by someone) nor objective in her a little selfish point of view. It would be as if I only listened to my grandmother when she says me that I must remain far from men, all my life.
Oh, I´ve just remembered that Lady Russell was married once... However, I continue thinking the same... though my theory fails a little now...
María is quite right when she says that Lady Russell has had little experience, and that which she has had, has produced very little result: she fails to improve Elisabeth´s behaviour. My opinion is that she is like them,E and Sir W after all.
It is always advisable to listen to anybody´s hints because they give us a new perspective. it is better if the counsellor has sense, but fools sometime surprise clever people with amazing ideas, so Roberto we seem to be of a mind lately. Who has influenced who, I wonder?
Mr. Elliot: yes he has an interesting story, there´s something I respect him for and that is not bending to Sir Walter and Elisabeth and gaining his indepence through a disreputable but economically convenient marriage. I think he was clever and now he wants the sort of marriage that he should be expected to be making. But Anne, of course is not of that mind. There is the possibility that he may have changed... but would you then forget your friends?? it is understandable that Mrs. Smith is shunned from him, understandable from the point of view of Human Nature. I read in the papers a report about a victim from the 11 M saying that apart from all the physical problems he now had he had lost all his friends, nono of them wanted to be with a sick person like him. Aren´t we hoorible?
Mr. Elliot must be an interesting character. I don´t know his story yet, but I suspect there is something bad, dark, in his intentions on going to Bath, although he seems a perfect gentleman.
Tomorrow my holidays begin! At last I leave this horrible hot. I am sure I will have finished reading the novel by my coming back. Then I´ll tell my opinion!! Have a nice days!!
I completely agree with both of you.
As you know, everyone has friends while things turning well, however, an authentic friend is that person willing to sacrifice himself when the other person really needs help.
What about the next comment of Sir Elliot’s: “…Morning visits are never fair by women at her time of life, who make themselves up so little. If she would only wear rouge, she would not be afraid of being seen: but last time I called, I observed the blinds were let down immediately.”, It is quite funny, isn’t it?
And this one of Elizabeth’s: “…Elizabeth was, for a short time, suffering a good deal . She felt Mrs Musgrove and all her party ought to be asked to dine with them, but she could not bear to have the difference of style, the reduction of servants, which a dinner must betray, witnessed by those who had been always so inferior to the Elliots of Kellynch. It was a struggle between propriety and vanity, but vanity got the better, and then Elizabeth was happy again”.
Don’t you think both of them showing us perfectly how they are?
I have just finished the book and I liked Anne’s explanation concerning the attitude she maintained in the past by following the advice of Lady Rasell’s.
María, enjoy your holiday!.
Have a nice holiday. María. Enjoy yourself but do not forget your English.
I absolutely adore those two quotes, Roberto. It is generally that we undestand or grasp a character best by paying attention to little, unimportant comments!!!
This might be my last comment before flying to Bath. I am really looking forward to live such an experience and I really hope not to be disappointed with it; therefore, I am not sure whether I will be able to write from there. Any way, we will meet again here in September.
Dear Carmen, it was your advice that made my mind up to do this course in England, thus I am so much obliged to you. It will give me confidence to know that you have taught me and if there is anything I can bring you from UK, I will be glad to do it because you know that I look up to you.
Farewell!
Emi you have written exactly the same comment!! I have been wondering that this formula of an unsuccessful love affair and of a recovery always interests people specially women but it works, this novel is not too different from Pride and Prejudice and we all enjoy reading them, or watching a film with a similar plot, etc. what do you think??
Emi you have written exactly the same comment!! I have been wondering that this formula of an unsuccessful love affair and of a recovery always interests people specially women but it works, this novel is not too different from Pride and Prejudice and we all enjoy reading them, or watching a film with a similar plot, etc. what do you think??
Emi you have written exactly the same comment!! I have been wondering that this formula of an unsuccessful love affair and of a recovery always interests people specially women but it works, this novel is not too different from Pride and Prejudice and we all enjoy reading them, or watching a film with a similar plot, etc. what do you think??
Emi you have written exactly the same comment!! I have been wondering that this formula of an unsuccessful love affair and of a recovery always interests people specially women but it works, this novel is not too different from Pride and Prejudice and we all enjoy reading them, or watching a film with a similar plot, etc. what do you think??
You are right Marta, but I was answering Roberto about men. I think we all have already finished the novel, so we can discuss openly. I agree with Roberto that I really like the Anne’s reasons in order to deal with the same problem ten years after. I think she is polite and the most important thing, she feel no resentment towards Lady Russel or her family. From my point of view Anne took a good decision due to her maturity, but unfortunately there are many women who would choose Mr. Elliot. I say “unfortunately” because I don’t know the reason why but most of women have a suffering life for this. What I think I don’t understand is the last meeting between Ms. Clay and Mr. Elliot at the street, what had happened there?
Another issue is what Marta calls “formula of an unsuccessful love affair” that always works. I usually call them “films or novels for women”, because men don’t usually like them so much. They can watch them but once, and women are capable of watching the same film several times. On the contrary I think war films are made by and for men, and I give my own example; on one the hand, my sister and I love “The Princess Bride” and we know the Spaniard’s speech, on the other hand, my brothers love “Apocalypse now” and especially that scene when the characters are surfing while the enemy are bombing the beach, you would remember it because Coppola uses the “Valquiria” (I don’t know in English) as the soundtrack during the bombing.
Hello everybody, i have just come back from England and im absolutly exhausted and glad about how much you have read and talk about it. I have been working there, so I was very bussy without time to read and post. Anyway, I had bought the novel in Winchester, In Jane Austen house,where she lived her last years, im very happy about this silly thing, so, im looking forward to read it to follow all the comments that you have written. Thanks to everyone for keeping in touch. Sorry about my mistakes, I have been talking for a mounth, but i haven`t written at all.
Welcome Teresa!
I am really happy to hear you. I am a little jealous, but I wish you had enjoyed yourself a lot.
I think I am the only one who is all the summer in Madrid and in order not to feel myself alone please keep writing on the blog.
Welcome Juliet, you have become quite English, for sure, after such a long stay.
Roberto, how are you in Bath? no time for saying hello, I see, too busy! Get yourself an English girl-friend, and then you will be speaking the Language all the time!!!
Emi is right, boys like different things, different films and different books, we are different, who is worried about her lack of servants?? Elizabeth, not her father!!! Can you imagine a man worried about a table-cloth which shows that you have less money than it is supossed? would a man,currently not have his friends for beers because his house does not have a big enough drawing-room? but currently women are still worrying about this!
I have not yet finished the book this time, but we can comment the end. These last days I´ve been very busy, out all day and also in the UIMP in a mini course, which I realyy liked. How do you like this, Emi "el yo de un santanderino siempre está en Santander"?
The secret meeting between Mrs. Clay and Mr. Elliot is not properly explained, was he in love with her?? were they so well suited because they were so similar and then they were attracted to each other???
Hello dear classmates,
I am writing from Bath, and I have got many things to tell you, the first of them being that I am learning nothing but vocabulary and expressions (I am in advanced level) so I am really disappointed with this. You realize that Carmen classes are the best and a exceptional ones (this statement is expressed sincerely). It is Listening and speaking that I thing I am improving, though it is a pity I can not mix with many natives.
I am living with a hostess, that is to say, a divorced woman and it is curious how different English people live and how terrible their food is. My hostess enjoy making precooked meals and we have to dinner at 5,30.
Any way, Bath is a lovely place to live even though the weather is cloudy the whole day and I keep visiting as many places as I can.
One of the most interesting things I have visited here are the places where Jane Austen set Persuasion and I am amazed because is like going back into the past to live the book. I have taken some photographs of them so that you might look at them. Besides I have learned many things about Jane's life.
Finally, In spite the fact that the more I speak the more mistakes I do with my pronunciation and some times with my grammar, while writing, reading and listening I feel confident.
I will keep informing you!
Bye! and I beg your pardon whether I have made many mistakes in this post, I have no time to check it because the class is to start.
mistake:
enjoys
Hi Roberto! I´m glad of hearing you (or reading you, better)! It´s great you are visiting all places you can, specially Elliots´ house. I also love to know places where stories of books or films pass, so I envy you! You must make good use of your classes and the conversations with the hostess, and you will come back having improved a lot. And if you follow Carmen´s advise, taking up with an English girl, you will be almost like a native. Let me tell you that the next time you go there, take a good portion of jamón serrano!! Good luck and enjoy yourself!
I´ve finished the novel during the holidays and definitely I have liked more the second volume, where the finest things happen. I enjoyed very much reading how declared Captain´s love for Anne (is it well said?), as if he was an embarrassed fifteen-year-old boy... very funny. I also want to highlight the change in lady Russell´s so-called steady stance about Captain W. Finally, she seemed to be very fond of Anne, accepting Captain in spite of her hating him during ages. And as for Mrs. Clay and Mr. Elliot, I think they had a deal: if they could get married with some member of Elliot´s family, they would obtain a good sum and social status. But if they didn´t achieve their objectives, they would live together, as a last option, but without love. Don´t you think so?
mistake: "if they could get married some member...", without with, isn´t it?
Hi! Definitly its impossible string together because you are almost finishing the book and I dont want to have so much information about what im going to read! :-)
Anyway, Marta and Carmen let me say that once more you are making me to come into conflict with myself about love and what men and women think and do! :-) But I can't stop reading all the comments on the blog!
Such a book you have choosen!
Roberto, I dont know you but, for sure, an English girlfriend its a fantastic oportunity for everything, and a great oportunity for us because you leave one more English man free!!
Carmen,one year after your advice I have to say that even being so boring men I really like English guys, I can't avoid it!
The eternal and everlasting Juliet!
Roberto, I´m so glad you are enjoying it. Try talking a lot because you have to become confident in your speech. The information is all there stored in your brain and in a short while it will all work itself out and you will be fluent and accurate.
María, very interesting what you say of Mrs. Clay and Mr. Elliot, it´s possible that they came to the agreement that "I will leave him if you take me" and so he took up with her as mistress!! because that is what she becomes. How could Mr. Elliot drop all his prospects of marrying well? I think he was not comfortable in refined society, which is something that happens to a lot of people and we term "la cabra tira al monte" "birds of a feather flock together".
Juliet, it puzzles me very much that you like English men. I admit they make good husbands and they stick to their age-group but they are boring and have little conversations and very little wit or sense of humour, that´s why Darcy is entranced with Elizabeth!!
Hello everybody. I am really happy hear you Teresa. I wish how Emi you had enjoyed you work in England.
Emi don't worry that everybody I am going to finish our hollidays. And we are going to back soon.
Roberto I know that you are going to enjoy a lot in this beautiful city, how I enjoyed when I visited this many time ago.
I beg you pardon whether I have made many mistakes, I have no time to check it because I am in a little library in the civil center of La Herradura. It is a little village in the coast of Granada. And here there are only one computer and there are more people who are wainting that I finish to use it.
At the beggining of the novel, Mr Elliot had a strange, incomprehensible behaviour to obtain his last goal. Seemingly, th eonly important thing to him was money and status, and he was able to do whatever he could to get it. However, 8 years before, having been invited several times to Elliots´house, he never went. He roused frustration and anger in Sir Walter. It wasn´t until 8 years later that he decided to take up again the accquaintance to succeed to the title. The only explanation I find is that he wished to live alone, in an independant way, until realizing he hadn´t got anything. Mr. Elliot was a lazy man. He only wished to delay the tremendous ordeal which involved him to behave as a gentleman in order to obatain recognition and approval of everybody, specially of Anne. Elliot belongs to the group of men who long for the results, those who lack of patience and strengh enough to do what they need, until they can´t stand the situation and they have to stop putting off their action.
I believed in Elliot´s independence. Theory that fails at the moment when Elliot and Mrs. Clay are going to live together. Why did Mrs. Clay decide to go with him? What has he that she lacks? I can´t work it out. Anyway,in that epoch the saying 'Better alone than bad-accompanied' didn´t work...
Mistake: What does he have that she lacks? That´s better, isn´t it?
Hellooooo everyone!
I thought that I could nose out here freely (I mean, without having to write...). However, a good friend of mine gave me a present from Winchester recently... Yes! the blessed Jane Austen book that all of you have been reading this summer. And without meaning to be, she imposed to me the task of reading it and sending some comments to the blog, even it was a litle bit late. As the saying goes, 'si una mujer te pide que te tires por un tajo, pidele a dios que sea bien bajo'. So, here I am: that's persuasion!
Anyway, I'll try.
Please, forgive my mistakes!
Hi, Jack of course you have to read it, you are interested in women, aren´t you?
María I think Mr. Elliot finds two things in Mrs. Clay a home and a female,that is sex for free,so to say, because he has to maintain her. Mr. Elliot is after all more comfortable with his class than with the aristocracy and he is not very comfortable with the others.
Dear All,
I hope you'll be all enjoying your holidays, I have been during the last month and a half following the blog and your novel analysis and I'm really suprised how hard have you all improved you English!
I've already finish the novel and I must admit that I've loved it. I do understand every character and their way of being and acting due to the epoch where it takes place. It's true Anne has nothing to do compared to Laura, as a Heroine, but nevertheless i share her last view about love and her explanation to Captain W.
Thank you Carmen for recommending it! It was a good advise.
Hi, Nataly! If you have been reading all our comments, why don´t you write anything?? You must admit that there have been many interesting and controversial items to speak about and to give different opinions!
What do you mean saying that you share Anne´s last view about love?
It is understandable that Mr. Elliot wanted to live with Mrs. Clay for those things you say, Carmen, but... What about Mrs. Clay? Do women need to live with someone though women don´t like this someone? Or is that what only happens in that epoch? "Better bad-accompanied than alone"... I think that that doesn´t happen now, I wouldn´t be able to share my life with someone without liking him nor without "needing" him (or his money), only for not to be called "old maid"... Would you?
Dear class mates,
At last I am here again, joining this marvellous blog and after reading all your interesting comments, I want you to know a little about my experience in Bath (it is a pity I could not spend more time there).
Bath lovely, quite and comfortable, make you enjoy English culture without being stressed and every single place is worth a visit. Georgian houses are beautifully built by means of the “honey” stone every where you go and bars are charming with lots of beers to choose. However, weather keeps being cloudy all the day long even though it hardly ever was raining and chill mornings welcome you every day. By the way, Jane Austen is said to prefer bath the times it is raining to sunny days because of her perceiving better the beautiful of the city in the former state.
Having chosen to live with a host family as an accommodation and despite how horrible meals my hostess cooked, I extremely recommend you to do it in this way, it being a perfect chance to find out how they really live besides the fact that you may speak with natives.
As far as the course is concerned, I am rather disappointed due to classes are prepared by means of uninteresting subjects. Vocabulary and expressions are mainly the things you are offered to learn. Both writing and reading are seldom thought nor grammar at all. In my case, I feel confident with my writing, reading and listening, thus, I was mainly interested in improving my speaking so I hope to have improved it though three week are not enough time. The pros are the fact that I have got a certificate showing I have attended classes in C1 level (IH school availed by the British Council) together with the amazing knowledge and different perspectives you aim meeting people from all around the world.
Therefore, not only am I content with the experience but I realised also that the best way of improving is your being surrounded by natives all the time, my next step will be get a job there.
One more thing: All of you already know that the course we have attended here in the school with Carmen-Marta is impressive, however, this statement reach a higher value by being compared with the course I have done in the UK. I promise this is absolutely true.
So, are you ready to start a new wonderful season?
I´m so glad you were enjoying it! Your experience has been perfect, as you say, apart from your classes, if you compare it to Carmen´s. Don´t forget we have now a new friend from London, that´s not the same, but he´s a good conection with native people, at least, till the course begins... I´ve seen your Film Club post, I hope you could come with us after our watching the film. See you!!
Any way, my hostess was a kind person and I enjoyed staying wiht her.
a mistake in my comment posted on 29th August: "for not being called..."
Yesterday, I happened to see Mr. Pombo on TV at midnight, he being interviewed by Fernando Sanchez Dragó about his career as narrator, and I could find out new information related to both his life and personality even though sometimes it was rather difficult to have him focused on the issue under debate.
They discussed the context of Pombo’s novels, the tittles of which are thought as being not suitable so that they might attract readers to buy his books, the fact that he is also a quite good writer of poetry and philosophy besides some personal aspects of himself such us his homosexual condition, explaining that Contra Natura shows a dark side of it and how he tried to express that homosexual relationships have another language to manifest feelings by being compared with heterosexual affairs, perfectly explained through the whole human history.
After leaving Santander when he was 15 and moving into Madrid, he spent eleven years in UK where he worked in nearly all sort of jobs, even as a cleaner. He also defended the use of Spanish language and defined himself as a person feeling like living, showing energy and an enthusiastic behaviour that make he seems to be younger.
I enjoyed it.
Note: I bought Pride and Prejudice BBC series in the UK and I recommend you to watch it, being quite different to Keira Knightley’s. I think you can borrow it from the library of the school.
Note2: I asked in the school when the classes are expected to start but they don’t know yet.
I would have liked to watch it!! I hope it is in Youtube or another online place. I suppose it was a good interwiev by Sanchez Dragó, in spite of knowing him (he spents his summer in Soria) and thinking not very well of him... Roberto, next times, let me know when there are interesting things like that, pleasee, because I hardly watch TV...
Ok, I will.
We have to arrange a meeting before starting the course or trying to fix a day so as to not to forget our speaking.
It seems nobody is willing to keep posting comments, doesn’t it?
The last time I went to the school and asked when the course is expected to start they didn't know it yet.
Another English series I recommend you to watch is THE IT CROWD. It is a comedy about the IT department (informatics technologic) of a quite big company. Two guys working there, in the basement, and being the sort of people known as "freaks", that is to say, people interested in comics, computers, films, etc., together with no successfully social life, one day a very good looking and outgoing woman joins the company and is going to manage the department even though she knows nothing of computers. So, you can see lots of funny scenes and despite the plot is focused on the IT department, many situations take place in different locations such as theatre, church, restaurant…
Here, you have an example.
(You have to copy the link and paste it your internet navigator.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHrxBuFCtWE
I think only you and me left here! But it doesn´t mind, they lose it! haha. I´ll try to see also this serie you say, but I have to see Upstairs Downstairs before. But I never find time enough!! When the course began I´ll be more centred... Anyway, today I´ve bought Jane Eyre. There are two, a more expensive one and a cheaper one. I´ve bought the first (8€), so please, buy the same as me, because letters are bigger and, that way there won´t be problems with the number of pages!! Last year was a mess!
A last comment: Watching funeral for victims of plane accident, I´ve seen H.M.Denise Holt... May they rest in peace.
I´ve been thinking of meeting next week, on tuesday, for example, to speak English at Oneils. What do you think?
when the course begins, I wanted to say
María, I'm afraid I have already bought the book and I'm reading it, in deed. Mine is of Penguin's like the Woman in white.
Ok, what if we meet on Tuesday at 9?
Yes, mine is also of Penguin´s. Have you already read it?? But that is the book we are going to read this course!! What will you do then? Reading it again?
Ok, next tuesday at 9 at Oneils. I´ll send everybody an e-mail. See you!
Having just finished watching Pride and Prejudice BBC series, I have really enjoyed it. Every single character is perfectly played, Mrs Bennet’s being quite funny; her foolish behaviour, understood by all of her relatives, makes you laugh once and again even though she acts with no evil at all as Mary also does in Persuasion. Besides, Mr Bennet always shows himself quiet towards such a behaviour and many times both his point of view and answers to Mrs Bennet’s provocations are wise and funny, too.
What about Mrs Bennet’s daughters?. The plot is mainly focused on three of them, Jane as the oldest one, Lizzy as the brave and more intelligent and silly Lydia, they being very different to each other. Jane’s shyness prevents her to show her sentiments towards the man she loves and, therefore, it makes her suffers. Lizzy seems to be independent in mind and very self confident, however, she misunderstands Mr. Darcy. As for Lydia, I dare say she behaves as she is, that is to say, as a teenager.
On the other hand, I like Mr Darcy because in spite of his pride, he is not willing of making complements when the person involved in the issue doesn’t deserve it together with his dexterity to conceal his feelings till the proper time arrives. Moreover, I felt content when he tells Lizzy that not everybody gets on with socialism situations and it doesn’t mean that you are boring or .
Anyway, I could not post this comment related to all these characters the time you did it on account of Persuasion and I hope to have time to check them so that I might compare yours with this one.
The following quote is one of the best moments of Mr Bennet's, isn't it?:
When Mr. Bennet arrived, he had all the appearance of his usual philosophic composure. He said as little as he had ever been in the habit of saying; made no mention of the business that had taken him away, and it was some time before his daughters had courage to speak of it. It was not till the afternoon, when he had joined them at tea, that Elizabeth ventured to introduce the subject; and then, on her briefly expressing her sorrow for what he must have endured, he replied, ‘Say nothing of that. Who should suffer but myself? It has been my own doing, and I ought to feel it.’ ‘You must not be too severe upon yourself,’ replied Elizabeth. ‘You may well warn me against such an evil. Human nature is so prone to fall into it! No, Lizzy, let me once in my life feel how much I have been to blame. I am not afraid of being overpowered by the impression. It will pass away soon enough.’ ‘Do you suppose them to be in London?’ ‘Yes; where else can they be so well concealed?’ ‘And Lydia used to want to go to London,’ added Kitty.
‘She is happy then,’ said her father drily; ‘and her residence there will probably be of some duration.’ Then after a short silence he continued: ‘Lizzy, I bear you no ill-will for being justified in your advice to me last May, which, considering the event, shows some greatness of mind.’ They were interrupted by Miss Bennet, who came to fetch her mother’s tea. ‘This is a parade,’ he cried, ‘which does one good; it gives such an elegance to misfortune! Another day I will do the same; I will sit in my library, in my nightcap and powdering gown, and give as much trouble as I can; or, perhaps, I may defer it till Kitty runs away.’ ‘I am not going to run away, papa,’ said Kitty fretfully. ‘If I should ever go to Brighton, I would behave better than Lydia.’ ‘YOU go to Brighton. I would not trust you so near it as Eastbourne for fifty pounds! No, Kitty, I have at last learnt to be cautious, and you will feel the effects of it. No officer is ever to enter into my house again, nor even to pass through the village. Balls will be absolutely prohibited, unless you stand up with one of your sisters. And you are never to stir out of doors till you can prove that you have spent ten minutes of every day in a rational manner.’ Kitty, who took all these threats in a serious light, began to cry. ‘Well, well,’ said he, ‘do not make yourself unhappy. If you are a good girl for the next ten years, I will take you to a review at the end of them.’
The following quote is one of the best moments of Mr Bennet's, isn't it?:
When Mr. Bennet arrived, he had all the appearance of his usual philosophic composure. He said as little as he had ever been in the habit of saying; made no mention of the business that had taken him away, and it was some time before his daughters had courage to speak of it. It was not till the afternoon, when he had joined them at tea, that Elizabeth ventured to introduce the subject; and then, on her briefly expressing her sorrow for what he must have endured, he replied, ‘Say nothing of that. Who should suffer but myself? It has been my own doing, and I ought to feel it.’ ‘You must not be too severe upon yourself,’ replied Elizabeth. ‘You may well warn me against such an evil. Human nature is so prone to fall into it! No, Lizzy, let me once in my life feel how much I have been to blame. I am not afraid of being overpowered by the impression. It will pass away soon enough.’ ‘Do you suppose them to be in London?’ ‘Yes; where else can they be so well concealed?’ ‘And Lydia used to want to go to London,’ added Kitty.
‘She is happy then,’ said her father drily; ‘and her residence there will probably be of some duration.’ Then after a short silence he continued: ‘Lizzy, I bear you no ill-will for being justified in your advice to me last May, which, considering the event, shows some greatness of mind.’ They were interrupted by Miss Bennet, who came to fetch her mother’s tea. ‘This is a parade,’ he cried, ‘which does one good; it gives such an elegance to misfortune! Another day I will do the same; I will sit in my library, in my nightcap and powdering gown, and give as much trouble as I can; or, perhaps, I may defer it till Kitty runs away.’ ‘I am not going to run away, papa,’ said Kitty fretfully. ‘If I should ever go to Brighton, I would behave better than Lydia.’ ‘YOU go to Brighton. I would not trust you so near it as Eastbourne for fifty pounds! No, Kitty, I have at last learnt to be cautious, and you will feel the effects of it. No officer is ever to enter into my house again, nor even to pass through the village. Balls will be absolutely prohibited, unless you stand up with one of your sisters. And you are never to stir out of doors till you can prove that you have spent ten minutes of every day in a rational manner.’ Kitty, who took all these threats in a serious light, began to cry. ‘Well, well,’ said he, ‘do not make yourself unhappy. If you are a good girl for the next ten years, I will take you to a review at the end of them.’
The following quote is one of the best moments of Mr Bennet's, isn't it?:
When Mr. Bennet arrived, he had all the appearance of his usual philosophic composure. He said as little as he had ever been in the habit of saying; made no mention of the business that had taken him away, and it was some time before his daughters had courage to speak of it. It was not till the afternoon, when he had joined them at tea, that Elizabeth ventured to introduce the subject; and then, on her briefly expressing her sorrow for what he must have endured, he replied, ‘Say nothing of that. Who should suffer but myself? It has been my own doing, and I ought to feel it.’ ‘You must not be too severe upon yourself,’ replied Elizabeth. ‘You may well warn me against such an evil. Human nature is so prone to fall into it! No, Lizzy, let me once in my life feel how much I have been to blame. I am not afraid of being overpowered by the impression. It will pass away soon enough.’ ‘Do you suppose them to be in London?’ ‘Yes; where else can they be so well concealed?’ ‘And Lydia used to want to go to London,’ added Kitty.
‘She is happy then,’ said her father drily; ‘and her residence there will probably be of some duration.’ Then after a short silence he continued: ‘Lizzy, I bear you no ill-will for being justified in your advice to me last May, which, considering the event, shows some greatness of mind.’ They were interrupted by Miss Bennet, who came to fetch her mother’s tea. ‘This is a parade,’ he cried, ‘which does one good; it gives such an elegance to misfortune! Another day I will do the same; I will sit in my library, in my nightcap and powdering gown, and give as much trouble as I can; or, perhaps, I may defer it till Kitty runs away.’ ‘I am not going to run away, papa,’ said Kitty fretfully. ‘If I should ever go to Brighton, I would behave better than Lydia.’ ‘YOU go to Brighton. I would not trust you so near it as Eastbourne for fifty pounds! No, Kitty, I have at last learnt to be cautious, and you will feel the effects of it. No officer is ever to enter into my house again, nor even to pass through the village. Balls will be absolutely prohibited, unless you stand up with one of your sisters. And you are never to stir out of doors till you can prove that you have spent ten minutes of every day in a rational manner.’ Kitty, who took all these threats in a serious light, began to cry. ‘Well, well,’ said he, ‘do not make yourself unhappy. If you are a good girl for the next ten years, I will take you to a review at the end of them.’
sorry, "moment"
I beg your pardon. I don't know why my comment has been posted three times. I did not do it on purporse.
I am looking forward to start the new course and I hope the students join the blog and realize what a chance they have so that they may improve their writing.
It seems as if I was writing my diary, doesn’t it?, because nobody else but María keeps writing on the blog.
Please, post comments.
After listening to Robinson Crusoe Audiobook some months ago, I felt like reading the book because of many interesting issues discussed in the book concerning human beliefs and I am getting quite impressed, for you might have those sort of sentiments, doubts in these days, too.
I strongly agree with you Roberto. We seem two freaks, always in the Blog, the only way, at last for me, to think in English (except for our few "English meetings")!! However, if there were more people here, this would be funnier... The question is: where is Paloma??? Where are you??? We miss you and your long, interesting comments!! I think Roberto and I have already reached you writing here!!
Yesterday we met together to speak English at Oneils, our favourite place when there is not a football match... We wanted to be together at least once before starting lessons on monday, probably to realize ourselves if their English speaking has improved this summer or not. We have read Persuasion and have had "English meetings" with English people, and that is more for me than I´ve done in my last summers... However, I have the feeling it is not enough. The more I want to speak better the more I realize the less I know. In any case this feeling is useful in order to want to learn even more than last year. I feel my need to improve more than ever, and this year we have no excuses! I wish you all a happy new course!
María, you will get it if you keep going. Remember that it is both of us that always join and arrange these meetings, so I think we are doing our best to improve our skills. It is only a matter of time and efford.
See you on Monday!
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