7 de octubre de 2008

"THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING EARNEST" (Oscar Wilde)

Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) wrote poetry, plays, stories for children and a novel. He is one of the most quoted writers in English. We sincerely hope you enjoy reading this his best known play, and hope you leave your comments in this section.

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clara Int 2 B dijo...

Could anyone tell me what do the following sentences mean? And I’d also like to know if there are sentences in Spanish that have the same meaning.
One of them is ‘I would hang upon her lips’ and the other one is ‘my metaphor was drawn from bees’.

I shouldn’t be asking these things because we’ve been talking about it in class today, but I was a bit lost.

It’s very funny to read the part in which Miss Prism tells Cecily she can read her Political Economic in Miss Prism absence, but she may omit the chapter on the Fall of the Rupee, that in her opinion, it’s a sensationalist article and have a melodramatic side. In those days, it was so typical for women not to worry about economical subjects. On the other hand, Cecily doesn’t like studying any subject, which is why I think Miss Prism is not very clever when she says this, she should know Cecily wouldn’t read anything of these matters and less if Miss Prism is not with her.

clara Int 2 B dijo...

Could anyone tell me what do the following sentences mean? And I’d also like to know if there are sentences in Spanish that have the same meaning.
One of the sentences is ‘I would hang upon her lips’ and the other is ‘my metaphor was drawn from bees’.

I shouldn’t be asking these things as we’ve been talking about it in class today, but I was a bit lost.

It’s very funny to read the part in which Miss Prism tells Cecily she can read her Political Economic in Miss Prism absence, but she may omit the chapter on the Fall of the Rupee, that in her opinion, it’s a sensationalist article and have a melodramatic side. In those days, it was so typical for women not to worry about economical subjects. On the other hand, Cecily doesn’t like studying any subject, which is why I think Miss Prism is not very clever when she says this, she should know that Cecily wouldn’t read anything and it'd be less probably if Miss Prism is not with her.

Goretti dijo...

Sorry Clara but I don't agree with the last part of your comment.
Growing up in a very low class family, with a lot of problems, doesn't mean that you'll be a bad person in the future.
There are a lot of "high class people" able to do horrible things!

clara int 2 B dijo...

You’re right Goretti.
I didn’t want to express that idea, I think that people who has to live in very bad conditions, have less opportunities to be successful. And they usually think the just way to cope with life is committing some crimes. For example they steal to eat, then to be able to afford something very important, then another thing, an another... and in the end they are burglars, muggers, robbers... in this sense I think they are guilty of their crimes but they’re not utterly guilty. Because they haven't had what they needed to behave well. In that way I think we should help them to be better, to get a job,and things like that.
But as you say in your last post there are many bad people from high class. For me this second group of people have other kind of problems.

Ana (Intermedio 2-B) dijo...

Hi you all and happy new year!

After a too long time without posting any comment on the blog I have lost contact to what you are talking about lately. Although as I can read I has developed into a serious discussion about our lectures in class!

Well, I found the play to be read at Christmas, "An ideal husband", really amusing. During the lecture I could imagine the kind of comments Carmen would have done about some of the coutes and paragraphs if we were in our lessons, it was really funny! Now I am writing from the office, so I don't have my book to look after them here, but I also had a special note called "BLOG". It was for these sentences I thought that could be proposed to be discussed here. Next time!

Clara, I just want to comment something on one of your last posts, where you say: "It's so unfair to have grown up in a very low class family, with a lot of problems, that our society should repair this situation.". In my opinion there are things that can't be repaired, and therefore the rest of the society should not only solve terrible social situations but also try harder to prevent them. It should maybe be one of the most important duties of our government as our representation and kind of protector. For instance, I mean doing something against the lack of education in the familys, because education and manners are not only a matter of school or even of money.

On the other hand, I don't share your opinion about the members of the low class having almost no responsability for what happens to them ("...it's unfair..."), because to be born in it can certainly be a question of good or bad luck, but with exception of extreme situations they have also the power to decide which way they are going to follow in life. I am convinced that human will can do many, many things but we just don't train it as much as necessary!

clara int 2 b dijo...

Ana I agree with you. All you say in your post is ok, but think about this: 'if you had a child and you didn't have enough money to feed him, what would you do? I'd steal for him. What would he learn of my behaviour? he'd do the same as me. I was thinking of that kind of things when I wrote my post.
As you say, they should choose the right way to cope their lives, but sometimes they can’t do it. If the government did something for them, things would be better for them.
If people are helped when they have problems and if they are good people, they will always behave correctly.

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

When you have money problems, stealing is the easier way to solve the problem, but that mustn´t be an option. I agree with Ana, we can decide how to lead our lifes and the fact to belong to a poor or low class is not an excuse.
There´s one Will Smith´s film:"The Pursuit of Happyness" which describes the problematic lifes of the two main characters, he and his 5-year son. Although they have nothing, the father decides to work harder to find a solution of their precarious situation looking for a new job and studing in stead of stealing. For me, the film isn´t so good, but the director discribes that well.
Moreover, some of the needy peolpe don´t want help, and how are you going to help someone who doesn´t want to be helped? Maybe they live better stealing when they need it than working every day. The case of the homeless, for example, is similar, some of them don´t want to sleep in a charity shelter where they´d obtain food and a sleep place because they don´t want to take a bath.
As Clara says, if we help those people, their situation would be better but we have to explain or convince them that steal is not the solution of anything if we want a lasting help, otherwise they´d be going to do it again if they need to, so we´d stuck in the same point.

Elena B dijo...

In the last part of her blog entry, Belen speaks about homeless and about the social resources that they have available.

That reminds me one play that I had the opportunity to enjoy two months ago."Caidos del Cielo" was the result of a wonderful insertion project with homeless. The plot is about homeless story lifes, and in this play act real homeless mix with professional actors.

With this theathe play I could understand quite well how a normal person can end up sleeping or picking up cardboard boxes.And also I learnt that we shouldn't misjudge homeless and as well that always exist a solution or a chance when you can't see no way out of your situation.

Elena B (3ºB)

Mercedes (inter.2ºB) dijo...

Yesterday, we had an interesting class by Carmen about different forms of passive. Today, I have read in Billboard Magazine ( music magazine) a news about a blackmail to David Bisbal.
It has seemed me very useful to learn about this grammatical form. If somebody is interested in it, I could to post on the blog.
I know this is a different issue that I was working regularly on this blog, but from my point of view this article can be helpful for us.
Let me know if you are interested in it.

Mercedes (int.2ºB) dijo...

Yesterday, we had an interesting class by Carmen about different forms of passive. Today, I have read in Billboard Magazine ( music magazine) a news about a blackmail to David Bisbal.
It has seemed me very useful to learn about this grammatical form. If somebody is interested in it, I could copy this article and post on the blog.
I know is a different issue we are working regularly, but from my point of view can be helpful to us.
Let me know if somebody would like to read it. I am looking forward to hearing from you

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

Thanks Mercedes for your offert, I´m interested in practising grammar, so if you don´t mind... But it´d be easier just to carry the magazine on Tuesday in order to copy the article.
Thanks again.

mercedes(inter.2ºB) dijo...

Here is the article:
Arrests Over Alleged Blackmail Of David Bisbal
January 14, 2009 - Global | Latin

By Howell Llewellyn, Madrid

Spanish paramilitary Civil Guards and Dominican Republic police have arrested four people in that Caribbean nation who are accused of demanding more than $100,000 from Spanish multi-platinum singer David Bisbal in return for not making public demo recordings of songs to be included on his next album, which had been stolen from one of Bisbal's email accounts.

Detained were a 23-year-old female psychologist and fan, and her three alleged accomplices. They face charges of extortion, blackmail, and illegal seizure of a private email account that Bisbal used in his professional dealings with his label, Universal Spain affiliate Vale Music.

Details of the detentions were released in a three-page note by the Civil Guard through the Spanish interior ministry, as well as a personal note from Bisbal issued through Vale. Bisbal received an anonymous message last Nov. 18 while recording his new album in Madrid. The writer of the message is said to have made it known she had emails and recordings and demanded cash to be paid into several bank accounts in various countries.

Bisbal reported the incidents to the Civil Guard in his home city of Almeria in south-eastern Spain, and the operation was traced to the Dominican Republic. Officers were sent there, where they worked with local police via the Latin American Forum of Cyber-Police.

Bisbal said in his statement, "My real fear and worry was not knowing how much information they had. The intervened e-mail account had songs recorded with my own voice, but the very important risk is that it could have ruined the work of the composers, publishers, and musicians who have taken part in the recordings."

He added: "You can imagine my sadness, uncertainty, anxiety and anguish that I suffered for more than a month not knowing what would happen. But I can tell you today that, thanks to God, the swift action of the Spanish justice and Civil Guard, in coordination with the police of the Dominican Republic, have led to a satisfactory outcome and the recovery of the stolen information.

"Life has again shown me that, just as there are people who want to do evil, there are also many good people, authentic professionals, prepared to combat the delinquents and help the victims of their criminal acts." Among the people Bisbal thanked were the staff of the Domini¡can Republic consulate in Miami.

Bisbal was the first participant in Spain's "Operación Triunfo" reality show to become an international star. His albums are multi-platinum sellers in Spain and Latin America. His next album is scheduled for release in the fall.

Vale Music marketing director Domingo Garcia said: "There have been many weeks of high tension. The email account included songs David had worked on for eight months."
I hope it will be useful for you.

clara int 2 b dijo...

Cecily is like all girls of her age, when Algernon told her she was his little cousin, she answered he was under some strange mistake. She wasn't little. In fact, she believed she was more than usually tall for her age.
However, she speaks about her height instead of her age. Therefore, she seems to be more immature than she should be. It might be because at that time girls were much more immatures than they are nowadays. It’s probably because she lives in a country, with an older, single woman as a companion. Which means the she doesn’t have enough stimulus, as girls have nowadays; they have tv, cinemas, radios, schools, universities and many class mates, friends... In Cecily's case, one of her friends is her diary.

Mercedes (2º int. B) dijo...

Clara, I disagree with you, I don't think Cecily is inmadure, I belive she is very clever and adult, another thing is that she likes to seem inmadure in that scene, e.g., I remember when she and Wendolen is argued each other about the engagement with Ernest and her behaviour against Wendolen.
It is a funny scene when Cecily has cut a very large slice of cake and she has filled Wendolen's tea with lumps of sugar when Wendolen had asked Cecily for bread and butter instead of cake.
Wendolen, of course, is very upset, and Cecily said to her "to save my poor, innocent, trusting boy from the machinations of any other girl there are no lengths to which I would not go"
It seems Cecily is not inmadure.

clara int 2 b dijo...

Mercedes, in my opinion when Cecily has an argument with Wendolen the reasons she gives are not very mature ones at all, and when she gives something to Wendolen, which she knows she doesn’t like it, she behaves like a child. Everybody knows how to face up to a situation, which annoys him or her, and this is an example of doing it in a childish way.
You must be right about her being clever. But clever and mature are different adjectives and in this case, they have different meanings.
Since we are talking about what Cecily is like; don’t you think she seems to be a bit childish when saying to Algernon that he was her wicked cousin Ernest and Algernon answered he wasn’t wicked at all, then Cecily told him that if he wasn’t, he had been deceiving them, what forced him to say he had been rather reckless and Cecily was glad to hear it.

Anónimo dijo...

Hello everybody!
This is Azu
I'm here again.
We talked about the Wendoleen's mother yerterday.
I think that parents need to know something (o everything)about theirs chindren because the parents give protection and they are always look after their children. I think it's normal.

We talked about But People too.
I think these people could have mental problems. Mental problems have 2 roots: one of these is hereditary root, and the other could be created by the personal experience.
I mean, you have different feels than other people repect the same experience.
That's all for now.
Bye and see us -)

Anónimo dijo...

I'm Azu
There is a mistake.
It isn't But People, it's Bad People -)). Sorry about that.

Ana, Intermedio 2 - B dijo...

It is wednesday again and I have to make my weekly post in our blog... Now is when I notice tahat the weeks go by so fast! I can't almost believe it but we are again (one yaer more!) coming to the end of january and I am already thinking of giving in some of my good purposes for this New Year!

Excuse me, my dear fellows, that I'm not talking today about our Earnest-Cecily-Gwendolen's etc. topics, but I feel so busy and stressed thata I can't just think of another thing! However it also makes me reflect on their upper-class lives in the 19th century. They seem not to have any other problems than these little amusements of Bunburying and going up and down, up and down... When I compare this fact with my everyday worries I feel very far away from what it is told by Oscar wilde about society... On the other hand, many of the topics treated in the play are still so actual nowadays! All in all I suppose I belong to the middle-working class, according to the social categories he talks us about, which isn't interesting enough to write about it...

Well, what do youthink about this? Do you feel somehow identified with Cecily's or Jack's problems?

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

Hello fellows!!
First of all, I would like to apologise me for not going to class this afternoon and it would be very useful for me if somebody could tell me what you have been doing in class today.

This morning I have been sent a mail with a very interesting link(YouTube video) of a 12-year old girl speech about environment. I don´t know if you have alredy watch it because is from 1992, but if you don´t, I recommend you to listen it. Although she speaks American English (or Canadian I should say), this listening is a wonderful exercise. Her pronunciation is very good due to the slowly she speaks. Throughout her words we can find gerunds, proper subjuctive, conditionals and so on.
So, even if you are not interested in this issue whatsoever, I personaly think that is a very good practise spend six minutes with her.
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLV6jaZFLro] (I hope it work)
See you tomorrow on our friday lesson.

Carmen dijo...

Hi Babies, i´m back again and let me you i´m very pleased to see that you are posting and writing very well, I hope that the regular posters are already thinking in English straight away, and not translating from Spanish. I´ve been reading the previous posts and I find that some people do not actually understand what the writer means; for example when he says "the only way to behave to a woman is to make love to her if she is pretty and to someone else if she is plain", it may sound sexist or whatever you want, but how do men behave currently? I think that they do precisely that!! Let me tell you that we have, as one of you says not changed that much, in essentials!
I would like you to go and visit the film club, it is fantastic and whenever you see a film just post a comment anywhere,so that you practice and interchange information.
Now we´ve met Cecily and people have labelled her as childish, i will only say continue reading, she seems to me to have a mind of her own in her conversation with Algernon/Ernest

Anónimo dijo...

WE HAVE A CONTEST ON THE FILM CLUB!!!

clara int 2 b dijo...

Thanks Belén for giving us such and interesting direction, I've already seen it, twice, and I'm very happy, I've understood nearly the whole speech, which make me so proud.
Carmen you're right about what we think about Cecily, but this is like in real life, you don't get to know a person unless you are keep in touch with him/her for so long. When we approach to the end of the play, our minds will probably change.

Mercedces (inter.2ºB) dijo...

Thanks Belen by showing me the video of Severn Suzuki speaking at UN Earth Summit 1992, it is magnificent, I invite everybody to see it, the title of video is very significant “The girl who silence the world”, by the way it is with regarding to the lesson we have seen last day about environment.

On the other hand, last Friday I went to the Cinema with my friends and we watched Easy Virtue, I am not going to explain here nothing about the film, I only want to say that the film show us the lifestyle in the countryside is similar as the “Importance…..” people are always bored and so they try avoid the boredom by spending their time with parties season, e.g. hunting, dancing, etc. they are communities closed where persons from the outside they are not well welcome.

I remind a sentence in the movie, the character said –“smile, you have to pretend, because you are English”- I think is a good definition of English people, isn’t it?

Carmen dijo...

I´ve also seen the film on Saturday, but will not say anything here, i´ll do it in the film club.
What do you think about the cconversation between Miss Prism and Dr. Chausable? It has made me think that men are shown as really innocent and women as real manipulators, see how Prism is trying to work round tha poor priest to get him to marry her!!!

Anónimo dijo...

Hi! This is Azu.
I’m thinking to check de Film Blog , it‘d be very interesting..
I’m going to write about last day in class. We talked about Relationship and falling in love, of the men. Most people think that men can fall in love with a pretty girl easier that ingeligent woman.
I don’t want to image the situation...for example the sentence “I’m falling in love with a pretty and stupid girl”, “yes, I know, the girl is sily but..is so beautiful” hahaahah.
Can you image the situation?
I think to flirt and for making the best impression is to be beautiful, of course.
But to falling in love..you look for the sense, sensible, clever...quialities that you find just to knowing the personality of the people.
What do you think?
See us!!

Cristina dijo...

You´re right, Azu,nobody would be happy to admit they´ve married a good looking but stupid person, but most men are easily impressed by beauty. The moment they see a pretty girl they start to flutter around and think of a strategy to approach her, it´s very sad but it´s true.Women who lack in beauty have fewer opportunities as sometimes they are discarded without a chance to prove their wit or intelligence.
Just a few corrections:
I´m thinking + of+ ing.
"think" cannot be followed by to+infinitive.
"image" is a noun, the verb is "imagine".
Remember that after "to" we usually take infinitive, especially to express purpose.

Mercedes (int. 2ºB) dijo...

Dearest fellows,
I find a website where they explain in English, of course, Mr. Obama's speeches, they have written the entire text of President Obama's inaugaration speech, you can see it :http://www.eslpod.com/eslpod_blog/2009/01/22/president-obamas-inauguration-speech-explained/.
This website is very interesting, I advise you I usually download podcast here and it is very useful by listening and learning English. Enjoy it.........

Carmen dijo...

Thank you, Mercedes.
One of the most relevant issues in Mr. Obama´s speech is that he changes from "you can" to "we will"

clara int 2 b dijo...

As we read some days ago, Miss Prism was telling Dr Chasuble how alone he was and he should get married. Then she said young woman were green, it was better maturity ones. And then, as if nothing was happening, she asked where Cecily is, to break the conversation, but she has got what she wanted, Dr Chasuble knows he should get married to a ‘not young person’ for example Miss Prism. Moreover, what she said for men goes well for women: ‘as a woman sows so let her reap’.
Although men think they lead relationships, it’s not true; it is women that lead them.

Mercedes (inter. 2ºB) dijo...

Carmen, you are right, I agree with you, the most important thing in Obama's speechs is: "we will", all the time Obama uses "we" by refering to the citezens of Nation of United Estate, e.g. he says -"Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America"- he doesn't say "we the goverments", he is refering to "we the people".
Obama is the youngest President of United Estate, he was 44 years old, he has new ideas and he tries that people to know and accept the responsability to work joined. Today, I was listening to the news and Mr. Obama told about the responsability and the waste of mony by high executives of Banks, he was asking them for containment and at the some time he was explaining this to people

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

Hi!!
In order to do the "homework", yesterday I watched "Revolutionary Road". I really liked it though it´s a hard film. The rest of my opinion about it will be posted on the film club blog. Moreover, the dialogues between the main characters (Kate Wisley & Leo DiCaprio) are very easy to undestand. I recommend you to watch it.

clara int 2 b dijo...

Today we have been reading in class about Jack’s brother’s death. As I saw the play a few months ago, I have this scene so clear in my mind. Jack is dressed in black and he’s wearing a high, black top hat, with a very long silk black scarf around it. He looks like those people who walk behind the car which is wearing the corpse.
Well, this is not so important, but it’s very curious. Today for me the most important thing, it is how Dr Chasuble says he is peculiarly susceptible to draughts. Here I think the author wants to tell us about Doctor’s vices; since draught means several things, one of them is ‘tragos’. Do you think my version might be right?
Everybody has at least a vice. There is a common sentence that all of us use sometimes, my only vice is... eating, drinking, smoking, going abroad... there are many of them.
Dr. Chasuble is a man like other men and has his bad habits like everyone.

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

I´m not sure about that, Clara. It´s Canon Chasuble who we are talking about; he shouldn´t have bad habits at all. Personally, I think he says that sentence with the aim of playing down the importance of Mss Prism´s opinion about the cause of death of Ernest :"As a man sows, so shall he reap". Blaming yourself is the best way to avoid offending nobody, mainly if we are talking about our sins.

Mercedes (inter.2ºB) dijo...

Hi fellows, I agree with both, Clara and Belen,without a doubt Chasuble wants to plays down of Miss Priss' comentary and he says that he is similar to rest of men and he is susceptible to draughts, so he is susceptible to have even a little bit bad habit or sin.
Changing of subject, today I have been seeing the Francis Bacon's exhibition, although, at the beggining I was thinking this exhibition I won't like me, I was no accurate and I have to tell I have liked so much the exhibition so I recommend to visit it, there are two rooms and one video with an interview to Frances Bacon very interesting where he explains her paintings, I hope you enjoy it.

clara int 2 b dijo...

Thanks Mercedes for your advice about Francis Bacon’s Exhibition. I’ll go tomorrow, Friday, after six.
Then we can post about it in the blog, to give our opinion about it.
Before going there, just seeing the brochure I had to admit that he seemed to be a bit obsessed to the human condition. The picture, which is shown in the first page, is a bit strange. Seeing it, I can see a mad person who is asking for help.
Well, now I'm going to talk about Dr Chasuble and Miss Prism, they are a bit old to be still single, why are they still single? She’s always trying to catch him, and he seems not to understand it. But I think that he understands perfectly the situation, but he doesn’t want to marry her. People who get older wants to have a companion but they don’t want to lose their private life, their independence. They have to pay a very big price for marrying and sometimes it isn’t worth at all.

Carmen dijo...

I agree with you Clara but only to a certain exent, Miss Prism wants to MARRY as most women then and I wonder if it still is the case currently. i think that both like each other and enjoy each other´s company, remember that it is Cecily the first person to recommend that they go for a walk because she has noticed it!!

María. Intermediate-2. B dijo...

The Prado Museum which I visited two days ago is the best. You can always find a beautiful painting like Francis Bacon .First it is a bit difficult to understand but at the end of exhibition you can enjoy because you have learned something about his life. I think he is different from people who are close to me, but I love a lot that kind of people.
They enjoy each day as if it was the last one.
Well I hoppe you enjoy like I did.

Reyes (3ºB) dijo...

Our next composition is about Francis Bacon. Beside visiting his exhition in the Prado Museum we can watch and listen to the own Bacon in internet: here I post the address :http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/exhibitions/francisbacon/bbcarchive.shtm.

It is very, very interesting and I think this is a perfect way to understand Bacon´s work and to analize his pictures; Bacon explain to us his painting and his feelings about it.

And of course it is another way to improve our English and our listening and help us to get more information about this painter .

I hope you enjoy it.

Reyes (3ºB) dijo...

I´ve just watched the film "The Importance of being Earnest". It is the original version filmed in 1954 in London. It is fantastic, well, the speaking is a little bit fast but it is very easy to follow the dialogues because this version is well adapted to the book that we are reading in class, so it is very simple understand it because meanwhile we are watching the film we can read the dialogues on the book, so we learn to pronounce perfectly all the words.

The character of Miss Prism is performed by Margaret Rutherland ( Do you remember her?) She has the role of Miss Marple in Agatha Christie's novels and Edith Evans is Lady Bracknell. They are a very good English actresses and both of them are perfect in their roles.

So if you have the possibility of getting this film, watch it!!! because this version is excellent and besides, it is very, very funny so you will have a good time.

Mercedes (inter.2ºB) dijo...

Hi Reyes,
Thanks so much for your information about Francis Bacon's website, I checked out it and I see that collect all different facets about the Irish painter, and of course I have seemed it very useful to know how Bacon works with the colour and the imagen besides to get to know about his life, etc.
Although I haven't watched yet all videos, I need a little bit more time , but I watched one of them, it is a interview, and it sounds very insteresting. I recommend this page to everybody

Mercedes (inter.2ºB) dijo...

Hi Reyes,
Thanks so much for your information about Francis Bacon's website, I checked out it and I see that collect all different facets about the Irish painter, and of course I have seemed it very useful to know how Bacon works with the colour and the imagen besides to get to know about his life, etc.
Although I haven't watched yet all videos, I need a little bit more time , but I watched one of them, it is a interview, and it sounds very insteresting. I recommend this page to everybody

Clara Int 2 B dijo...

In the Importance of Being Earnest, a sentence drives me mad: ‘you young scoundrel, Algy, you must get out of this place as soon as possible’.
I can’t imagine going through this situation. I’m at home and a friend comes to stay for a week without being invited. I don’t want him to be with my family and I and I have to tell him to go out immediately. Although I tell him this, he decides to stay with us, ... I’d become mad. On the other hand, to make things worse the butler puts all his things in the room next to mine. He asks me to get change my clothes so quickly and things like that,... it’s madness.
In this case, Algy seems to be stronger than Jack, despite of being in Jack’s house, not in his house, he behaves like the owner of the house, not like an uninvited person.
What Algy is doing there is awful, and because of Jack’s upper-class position, this strange situation can be possible.
I don’t think this situation would happen easily nowadays. What a relief!
I don’t know if you agree with me, but I think that, this part of the play is the most comic up to now, and the author caricatures so hard the people from that time. I didn’t know Oscar Wilde, but reading so carefully this play makes me learn a lot about him and how he saw people, or how he shows us people.

clara int 2 b dijo...

In my last post in the blog, I was imagining what I would do, if one of my friends did to me the same as Algy was doing to Jack. I became angrier and angrier, so after writing it I began to think about some ideas about how to say to a friend that he has to go out of my house immediately without offending him.
It’s very difficult to find a polite sentence to say that. But despite of not having found the right way to say it, I got to the conclusion that I don’t need a sentence like that, if he is a scoundrel who doesn’t obey me when I ask politely him to go out of my house, I could be rude with him, couldn’t I? I don’t like to be cruel to anyone but there are some situations in which I should be.

María. Intermediate-2 - B dijo...

Hi Clara, I agree with you it is very difficult to say anything angry to somebody especially if he is your friend, but sometime it is necessary. I think that if somebody tells me something similar, I wanted to leave the house immediately. But ....remember "life is too important to be taken seriously" that is what Jack should think from Algernon and for this reason his behavior is strange for us.

Carmen dijo...

Clara, Algernon behaves in this rude way because he knows Jack cannot send his own brother away!!! If you think about it whose fault is it? Who invented the brothe? who got int trouble? I think it served him right. However if you find yourself in this situation just tell him to leave, polite words don´t do much where scoundrels are concerned!!

Anónimo dijo...

Hello, I'm sara from I2B and I'm not sure if it is here that Carmen wants me to write in!!!...just to recommend you a "solo project" in ARCO by artist Amaya González Reyes called “Yo gasto”.
It is a project in which you can buy an art work!
You will find it at Pavilion 6 (SP 03)
Further information:
http://www.parra-romero.com/artistas/amayagonzalez.html
bye!

Carmen dijo...

sara, thank you very much for your information! I´m glad to find you reliable, which is not the case with everyone!

clara dijo...

Go to see the film 'The Reader'in original version, it's so good and you'll understand almost 90% of the conversations, they speak quite clearly. The story is ... well go and see it; you'll enjoy it a lot. Then write in the blog.

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

Hi!!!I went yesterday to see the same film, well, actually we went with the film club and I really liked it!!the film and the company.
I recommend all of you to see this good film and to join the film club the next day.

maría 5ºB dijo...

THanks Clara and Belen for encouraging people to join us on the Film Club. We are getting a special prize for groups!

Mercedes (inter.2ºB) dijo...

Hi everybody,
At the end of the class today, Carmen has put in blackboard some sentences about Romeo and Juliet with regard to the chapter of the Importance..... where both girls fall in love the same name "Ernest".
In the theme of Juliet:"What is in a name? that which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet". In my opinion, Juliet tells Romeo that a name is an artificial and meaningless convention, and that she loves the person who is called "Montague", not the Montague name and not the Montague family. Romeo, out of his passion for Juliet, rejects his family name and oaths, as Juliet asks, to "deny (his) father" and instead be "new baptized" as Juliet's lover.
From my point of view they are different situations, because Juliet doesn't matter the name, she loves the person,meanwhile in the Importance, both of them: as Gwendolen as Cecily fall in love with an specific name "Ernest".
What do you think about this,

María. Intermediate-2-B dijo...

Two days ago I went to see the film called The reader. I enjoy with it. I think it is a beautiful love story and I would like recommend, and I hope everybody enjoys like I did.

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

Hi!!
I think the same as you, Mercedes.
Juliet doesn´t care whatever his name were, she only cares about the man. On the contrary, during the first act, Gwendolen says:"The name of Ernest [...]has music of its own.[...]The only really safe name is Ernest". Moreover, the name of the person who a women is engaged to it´s very important at that time because it is the name that gives you position.

Talking about another important issue, I´ve found the employment application of ICO which Sara told yesterday and I´ve alredy sent it to María. I hope it may be useful.

Roberto dijo...

¡¡¡Please go to the Film Club!!!

We have the winner of the contest.

clara dijo...

I agree with you both, Mercedes and María. How can people reduce their feelings just to a name? it's absurd, isn't it? in 'The importance...' this subject is very important and the whole play is based on it. However let's go back in time, for instance 50 years ago, when parents always named their babies the name of the Saint of the day the child was born.
If you were lucky and you got an apropriate name, you would be successful, on the contrary, would you be unfortunate, unhappy, missereble, and things like that?
But if you want to be happy you just need to be christened again and again, until you get happiness' name. What a nuisance!!!

Mercedes (int.2ºB) dijo...

Hi Clara, you are right, but have you thought that nowdays parents put their children name of star of cinema or footballer?, like "Grace kelly", or e.g. Iloveny, do you know what is the origin this name?, is of "I love New York", this is truth,sure, one of my friends is a child surgery and he asked mother's child where of name from and the mother pointed to t-shirt "I love New York", is not a joke.
On the other hand,I think there is a thing in comun between Romeo, Jack and Algernon, all of them don't mind being a new christened by love.
Fall in love make their change their name, they can lose their name and their identity. I is nice¡¡¡¡¡ what do you think about it

Carmen dijo...

Some very interesting comments, I think that the issue is falling in love with a person not a name, and I agree that when in love you even lose your identity!!! However sometimes people fall in love with names as is the case in good families where marriage is important provided you marry "a name", having said this, what did "la Leti" marry????? What Shakespeare explains through Juliet really clearly is that you LOVE a person...or don´t you?

Mercedes(Inter.2ºB) dijo...

Hi fellows,
I have seen this:

The Madrid Players present:
The importance of being Earnest by Oscar Wilde
24-25-26th April, 20095
Colegio La Inmaculada Marillac
C/ Modesto Lafuente, 11
(Entrance through courtyard garden)
Madrid
Metro:: Iglesia / Alonso Cano
Bus: 3 - 5 - 12 - 16 - 61
Car parks nearby
Everybody's favourite play by Oscar Wilde...
Don't miss this brilliant classical comedy!
Booking details later. http://www.madridplayers.blogspot.com/
It seems to me very interesting

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

Hi!!!
Mercedes, that sounds wonderful!!!
Maybe we can organize it. We had better book all the tickets at he same time in order to get the seats together, don´t you think?

Carmen dijo...

Let me check first, because if it is for children we are not going!! A very quiet week!!! No comments as to the differences between the behaviour of men and women when in trouble? I think me are not so destructive as women are. Cecily and Gwendolen are trying to humiliate one anther, they are arguing but there is no humiliation the tone is different. What do you think?

Carmen dijo...

Nobody on line I see, you have not yet grasped how important it is to thnk in English, which is what you have to do, to be able to write in English.
IMPORTANT:
Tomorrow night in TV2 there is a film based on "A Woman of no Importance" by Oscar Wilde, it´s late, I think 1am. check and record it in English if you can

Carmen dijo...

I see that this thread is dead!! It is very frustrating that you make no comments and after all it´s for your own good, so I´m going to write the title of our next composition and just not bother much again,

"Few girls of the present day have any really solid qualities, any of the qualities that last, and improve with time" Discuss

María. Intermediate-2 B dijo...

I think that they have solid qualities. I think that the girls of the present day have different qualities than the last one because now we life in a different way and our behaviour is also different but it is going to improve with the time. Nowadays we give more importance to some things than before it was not be important. But in spite of them the girls have really solid qualities because they live in a different world and they need to fight, to work, to share a lot of thing with many people and before they used to life alone, only with her family and the life was easier than now, perhaps girls now seem to be more free to show their feeling and it could be bad for some people but they have solid qualities than the last one.

Anónimo dijo...

Hi, I'm Sara I2B, I think that: "not only girls but also boys"...I mean, it is a fact of current young people...don't you think?
and it is a fact of the society and parents education.
But of course I agree with María about woman situation...
Also I would like to ask if we have to write a composition about this or just only discussing it in this blog.

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Dear class mates of the third year,

I am a student of Carmen’s who is doing the last year. Perhaps it is too late to write a comment here, but I really was looking forward to doing it so, especially because I have just started reading the play which, up to now, I had only seen on the stage and, to be honest, not a very good version. It is amazingly funny and every single time I read a new page, I cannot avoid laughing before such witty dialogues. On the other hand, I also wanted to encourage you both to keep writing and working hard as you have Carmen, the best teacher a student would ever wish to have.

Please, do not miss this opportunity. You will regret it!

Carmen dijo...

Well, Thank you Roberto, you are indeed nice!!! Thanks also for encouraging the thirds, notice the article "the", you understand what i mean, don´t you?!!!! They need a lot of encouragement and a lot of changing their mentality towards what learning involves... they are not like my fourths/fifths. Maybe next year.....
the title is for your next composition but we can discuss it here as well.
I think María you have not understood what Wilde means by Good qualities!!

Clara int 2 b dijo...

After reading these comments it's so difficult to write in the blog, but I'll do my best.
Today we have been reading 'the importance...' as we usually do every day in class and we've been talking about marriages. It's funny the idea that O.W. had about them.
Lady Bracknell is so demanding when she talk to Jack that she seems to have been born into a noble family, with a lot of money and posesions and due to that she wants at least the same for her daughter, but what a surprise! she had nothing before she get married lord Bracknell.
Lady Bracknell doesn't want Jack to get married her daughter, but she wants her nephew to get married Cecily as soon as possible, because she's afraid they start to get know each other and decide no to do it. Algernon has nothing, this marriage is like a business, as her own one was.
Nowadays there are a lot of people who do the same but generaly speaking things are not like that, people usually get married if they are in love, although they choose so well the person before.

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María. Intermediate.2-B dijo...

Carmen you are right. I diden´t understand well what Oscar Wilde want to say with "solid qualities". I was speaking about other qualities which are very different.
For mi it is not a quality, this is a person interested in get what another person is. But perhaps in this time people thought in this way.
But at last now I am going to be able to do the compositions knowing the subject.

clara int 2 b dijo...

People who haven’t had enough money and possessions tend to be more selfish and cautious than people who have never had needs, they feel that the most important thing in life is money, they are capable to sacrifice love to get the position they want to reach. On the contrary, those people who has always had all they need live their lives without thinking about money. It’s the case of Lady Bracknell who got married a rich man to whom she very often leaves alone when they have a dinner party. He’s used to having dinner alone. From my point of view, things wouldn’t must be like that, for a wife her husband should be the first.

clara int 2 b dijo...

In the sentence 'things wouldn’t must be like that' I should have write 'things shouldn't be like that'. This has happened to me because I sent my post without re-reading it. I apologize for doing things in that way.

clara dijo...

I like Oscar Wilde because he’s very clever and at least in this play his characters are like caricatures. Each one has a different personality, which is a good way to show us the problems of his society. In most cases these problems are the same as in our society. Although nowadays we have a lot of problems they didn’t have, like drugs, sex,... or simply he doesn’t deal with them in the play. Every problem he shows is like one of ours. He remarks in every character what is more important, to tell us what was the thought of the people in that country at that time.

clara dijo...

Speaking about marriages as in The importance...I think the best time when you fall in love are the first days or weeks, then the couple are used to being together each other and the relationship become monotonous, besides the fact that you get know each other so you can stop thinking about getting married your partner. It's better to get married before you get know the other, his or her faults might make you not want to live all your live with him or her.

Ana, Intermedio 2B dijo...

First of all I want to thank Carmen and our English lessons not only because of having the possibility to learn English in a way I had not experienced before, but also because they give me the opportunity to take a break in my monday-to-friday routine and think of important topics of common life, which otherwise I would just let go by.

It's fun thus this doesn't only happen to me but also to my colleagues. After our lessons I go back to the studio where I work and tell them "the sentence of the day" -That's how we call it, really! It's usually one of our dear friends and not of the boring book, of course!

Talking about marriage, engagement and solid qualities have been very touching for all of us this week. Maybe the age we are in (around 30) together with our confusing "modern" ways of living contribute to this effect! I am single and when I think about marriage I have to recognise that I feel confused: I can't understand at all nor its purpose either its ambivalent relation with "love"!

cesar dijo...

APPEARANCE

When you first meet someone,the first thing that hits you is his appearance. After talking to that person you can have an idea not only how she´s dressed or how she looks but also how she speaks and what kind of behavior she has. At the beginning, the knowledge of general culture are not necessary because they can be adquired later, if that person wants, of course.
As time goes on, one gradually adapts or leaves.

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María. Intermediate-2 B dijo...

I agree with you Cesar.
The first thing you can see in a person is his appearance, if she or he is well dressed,if she have good or bad maners, if she is nice person, but when the time pass you are able to know how she really is and what he want to get of the live.

clara dijo...

First of all I'd like to say that I'm happy because some people is using the blog, I thought it was dead.
I also agree with you, although I have to add that it's a pity, there are many people who don't like for instance being with ugly people,they don't give them the oportunity of become their friends, so they will never get to know each other.
Behaving in that way relationships are very complicated and difficult.
I think that there must be something special in relationships which don't depend on what a person is like.
Many people are ugly and not atractive at all but have a partner, this show us that I'm at least a bit right.
Have a nice Easter!!!!

Anónimo dijo...

Hello, it is sara-I2B,hoping all of you have had great holidays!
Does anybody know about information we should have regarding "The importance of being Earnest" play?

virginia intermed. 2ºB dijo...

Hi Sara: The information about "The importance of being Earnest" play is:
24-25-26th April
Colegio La Inmaculada Marillac
C/ Modesto Lafuente, 11
Metro: Iglesia/Alonso Cano
Bus: 3-5-12-16-61
Booking details
www//madridplayers.blogspot.com
See you Tuesday.
Virginia

cesar dijo...

LADY WINDERMERE´S FAN

I have read it twice but I am conscious that i need to read it more times,at least once more. I´ve found it sparkling and I enjoyed the dialogues which are all magnificient.If I had to choose one of these dialogues, I would choose what Mrs Erlynne said to Lady Windermere in a long conversation, nearly a speech, which,after reading it, probably will make people think.
The human manners described by Oscar Wilde have no changed very much-it has been technology that has avanced.

María. Intermediate -2 - B dijo...

Hello I hope that everybody enjoys the holiday like I did.
I agree with you Cesar I need to read it again but don´t worry because our teacher Carmen told me that the composition of Lady Windermere`s Fan is for the next Thursday 23th.

clara dijo...

I thought nobody would write here any more; it's great to hear from you all again.
I've been reading 'Lady Windermere's fan' during this Easter and I found it so good, on one hand, its expressions and vocabulary are easy to understand, which make the task of reading the play so comfortable and on the other hand, the way O. wilde uses the characters is witty and shows us what were they like.
It's so difficult to write about a play as rich in events as this one is, but cheer up colleagues!!, we'll do, and by the way, so well,as we usually do.

clara dijo...

I had forgotten to tell you that you can see the whole play in English in youTube, just by writing its title in English.
Watching it would help you to do your composition.
I hope having been useful for you.
How about your Easter holiday? mine so good. See you on Tuesday.

CRIS I-2 (3ºB) dijo...

Hi everybody,

I´ve enjoyed holidays much. I´ve been in A Coruña.
I´ve read the last days " Lady Windermere´s fan". It´s O. Wilde ´s the best play to read and understand. Its vocabulary is more or less basic, its dialogue are witty and the plot is interesting.
Clara, I ´ve wacthed the tv version from 1985 and it´s fantastic. This version reproduces literally the whole play. It´s very useful to practise the pronunciation and phonetic
See you later. Cris

SOSIAS dijo...

I agree with you Cris Lady Windermere's is very interesting, fun and the vocabulary is easy to understand.

It's been the perfect entertainment for the holidays.

Antonio 3ºB

clara dijo...

Have you choosen your favourite character of 'The importance...'? It's a bit difficult as all of them are interesting. At first, when we started reading the book I was fond of Algernon, but now I like Lady Bracknell as well.
She reminds me my grandmother, I don't know what she looked like, but I mind in their characters and the things they used to say. Do you think that when people get older lose their 'shame' (in the good sense) and they are capable to say what they are thinking in the moment they are talking and they don't mind who they are talking to? For young people who are with them it's so embarrassing. One thing it's not withhold anything and another thing is be as rude as they seem to be.

María. Intermediate-2 - B dijo...

Hi Clara, I have choosen Cecely.
Perhaps she is one of my favorite characters in this play, I don´t know why, but I remember one scene shen she is talking with Algernon and she said they have been engaged for the last three months, and Algernon said... over the last three months? yes, she answer, it will be exactly three months on Thursday. I think her behavior is amazing, because she is able to image what will happen, before she met him, and she describes the situation perfectly.
And of course I agree with you I think in the same way, people lose shame when their are older, they are able to see all the things in different way.

clara dijo...

Cecily is a good character, you can say many things of her. She's the opposite of Lady Bracknell,Cecily is adorable, young, sensible... and Lady Bracknel semms to be very interested in money, position and things like that. Oscar Wilde created each character with a different purpose and they have different personalities, but which is interesting about themis that they all get on well after get to know.
Well, write something more about your opinions now that the reading of the book it's over.

cesar dijo...

THE IMPORTANCE OF...
First of all thanks Maria, intermediate 2ºB, for your advice about the date of the composition.
As for the Oscar Wilde´s play, the character I´ve licked most has been the Lady Bracknell´s character.
She´s always very nice and clever to talk to and she´s always hiding something,I suppose.
She gets into conversation with sarcastic remarks in all subjects and she performs perfectly.
I think she is a fighter,like mothers whose daughters are ready to get married or more exactly want to get married.

clara dijo...

I’m looking for the video of ‘A woman of no importance’ in YouTube and I can’t find it. Can anyone tell me where I can find it? I’m going to read the book, but first I’d like to watch the play in order to practise my listening.
Some time ago, I used to read a book once or twice before listening it, but now I get used to listening to text before reading it. You have to pay much more attention if you want to understand as much as they are saying because you don’t have any clue about it. But if teachers say that do it like that is the best way to do it, then, go for it!

Roberto dijo...

Hello everyone,

You must not miss this opportunity to see the Importance of being Earnest on the stage, in English!!!, I will.

By the way, while looking for the information about the issue, I happened to see that someone mentioned Lady Windermere’s Fan. I love it as well, I dare say even more than the one you are reading. I really recommend you both to read it, if you have not done it so far, and to listen to the audio book, for the play improves by listening to the characters. I will try to lend you mine, by means of Carmen, so that you can enjoy it. You may also use it to listen to it at the same time you read the play. It is a very good practise not only for your pronunciation but also for your listening skills. Nevertheless, this is just my advice. It is Carmen who really knows what to do so as to improve.

Good job! for those of you who keep writing on this blog.

María. Intermediate-2 B dijo...

I think that every character have something good and something bad. Oscar Wilde give every one, an original sense of humour and it is well reflected in the book and sometimes for me is a little difficult to understand and be able to apreciate the irony of each character. But I like every one ot them.
I am sorry Clara but I don`t know where do you can find that video.
I am sorry I can´t help you.

clara dijo...

Don't worry María, I'll go to several bookshops and libraries to get it. If I find the film I'll let you know.

Ana, Intermedio 2B dijo...

Hello everybody!

Due to some tasks of my job I couldn't avoid, I have been mostly unable to attend our English lessons lately!

Thanks to the blog I've got to know that we have finished to read "The importance...". I would also be very thankful if someone could tell me more or less what we are doing now and if there are some news i.e. related to new books we should read or compositions to write.

Are some of you going to see the play about our friends? I would also like to, I suppose I have to look for the tickets as soon as possible if I want to get one! At least I hope you have been luckier than me with this other two plays in English at the Teatro Español: As I wanted to buy the tickets in internet about one week ago, they were all sold out!

Thank you!!

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

Hello!!
I want to thank all of you for keeping this blog alive, I´m going to post more often from now on.
Roberto, as Carmen said, you are so nice, thanks for not giving up on us. The opportunity you offer to us of listening and reading at the same time, it´s a very good one.
Ana, we haven´t finish the play yet, there are just two pages left. I don´t know what we are going to do next, whether anything is said about it today in class, I´ll tell you. Three of us we are going to see The Importance on Sunday at 8pm. If you want to join us there are tickets left.
OK, so see you later!!

clara dijo...

After think so carefully about all the characters in the play, I’ve reached the conclusion that Algernon Moncrieff is my favourite one.
As a member of the upper class, he lives in one of the best parts of London. He’s a bachelor who lives a luxuriously and frivolous life.
The writer made him witty, with a great sense of humour and with no respect for the society he will inherit.
I think he uses Algy to show us that kind of life that he didn’t like at all, the life that Victorian people used to live. As the writer himself, Algernon leads a double life. He invented an invalid friend, called Bunbury, to escape from dull engagements and to provide a bit of excitement apart from the boring life he should live. He has a bad attitude about marrying and he likes having a secret life. In this play, Oscar Wilde uses Algernon to represent the rule-breaker side of his life.
During this period, people used to live moral repression, and more appearance than reality, which makes him want to escape.
Algernon is always eating, cucumber sandwiches, muffins, whatever food he can eat, which shows us that he likes pleasures denied by polite society. He’s younger than Jack, who seems to tell off about these things. They are so different.

clara dijo...

After think so carefully about all the characters in the play, I’ve reached the conclusion that Algernon Moncrieff is my favourite one.
As a member of the upper class, he lives in one of the best parts of London. He’s a bachelor who lives a luxuriously and frivolous life.
The writer made him witty, with a great sense of humour and with no respect for the society he will inherit.
I think he uses Algy to show us that kind of life that he didn’t like at all, the life that Victorian people used to live. As the writer himself, Algernon leads a double life. He invented an invalid friend, called Bunbury, to escape from dull engagements and to provide a bit of excitement apart from the boring life he should live. He has a bad attitude about marrying and he likes having a secret life. In this play, Oscar Wilde uses Algernon to represent the rule-breaker side of his life.
During this period, people used to live moral repression, and more appearance than reality, which makes him want to escape.
Algernon is always eating, cucumber sandwiches, muffins, whatever food he can eat, which shows us that he likes pleasures denied by polite society. He’s younger than Jack, who seems to tell off about these things. They are so different.

clara dijo...

After think so carefully about all the characters in the play, I’ve reached the conclusion that Algernon Moncrieff is my favourite one.
As a member of the upper class, he lives in one of the best parts of London. He’s a bachelor who lives a luxuriously and frivolous life.
The writer made him witty, with a great sense of humour and with no respect for the society he will inherit.
I think he uses Algy to show us that kind of life that he didn’t like at all, the life that Victorian people used to live. As the writer himself, Algernon leads a double life. He invented an invalid friend, called Bunbury, to escape from dull engagements and to provide a bit of excitement apart from the boring life he should live. He has a bad attitude about marrying and he likes having a secret life. In this play, Oscar Wilde uses Algernon to represent the rule-breaker side of his life.
During this period, people used to live moral repression, and more appearance than reality, which makes him want to escape.
Algernon is always eating, cucumber sandwiches, muffins, whatever food he can eat, which shows us that he likes pleasures denied by polite society. He’s younger than Jack, who seems to tell off about these things. They are so different.

clara dijo...

sorry, my post has been written three times, I don't know why.

carmen dijo...

well the thread is alive again, tonight i´m going to bed but tomorrow I´ll talk with you.

IMPORTANT
MONDAY " THE DUCHESS" with the film club, go into the film section to know where to go

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

Thanks Carmen for telling us another opportunity to practice English. I´ve alredy posted there in order to tell them I´d like to join them on Monday.

María Intermediate-2 B dijo...

My favorite character is Cecily I don´t know why, maybe because she is very young, for their inocence, by her feeling. I like the way she behave with Algernon who have just known, but she try to order him.
I like her imagination, is capable inventing sories in whicn she belive an after she talks about then as if they were true.

Carmen dijo...

well you have done a very good job here, thirds, and i see some hope for the future. The blog gives us a fantastic opportunity for practising our writing and thinking-in-English skills and it is very useful, it also helps us to be in contact, which is very good for learning.
you have mentioned different characters. Let me start with Lady Bracknell, in my opinion she is older and thus knows that certain things are important in marriage: money, not knowing each other too well, etc. Someone said she was a fighter, and she is too, all mothers who have to marry daughters fight for them, maybe they make mistakes, but they are trying to help their daughters to make the most suitable choice!!
Cecily, she represents the young romantic woman, but is she that romantic?? I think not she just falls in love with someone she doesn´t even know, but how many women do that every day? We hear of a man mentioned and women fall in love before setting eyes on him. Mr.Darcy in Pride and Prejudice says "A woman passes from admiration to love and from love to matrimony in a mnute" and it is true!!! We fall in love from what we hear or see and then we make idols of those men we have fallen in love with!!!! It´s all very boring, no wonder men wnat little to do with us, they see and want to posses us, not love us, that is not for them.
Algernon, is the trivial character who, nevertheless has thought about things and arrived at conclusions which most humans do not dream of becuase it is them that are superfical!!
And now good night welcome back

Carmen dijo...

I have two tickets to sell for "THE WINTER´S TALE", 28th, Tuesday. 28€ each.
Does anyone want them?

clara dijo...

Talking about Cecily... I think she might represent that kind of person all of us would like to be, like a child. According to Carmen, she’s not romantic; she just falls in love with someone she doesn’t even know, and I’m sure that this happens when people are children, when we get older things are different, people start to think about things such us money, position in life,... we are not like Cecily but Lady Bracknell, don’t you think so?
But it’s true that we make idols of those me we fall in love, Oscar Wilde tells us in ‘An Ideal Husband’.

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

Carmen¡I want one ticket!!!please!!
I´ve not find a partner yet but I don´t mind because I don´t want to miss this fantastic opportunity!!
You´ll tell me what we do if finally I can have one of them. Thanks!!!!

María. Intermediate-2 B dijo...

Yesterday I enjoyed the play, not just the play I started to enjoy when I was waiting in the queue to enter the theatre because all of us were talking about how many times we had read the book, who was your favourite character, if we were going to understand the play, it was very emotional. In the queue there were teachers from many Language Schools all o them with their students, and excited because they are going to see the importance of Being Earnest in English.
When the play started was wonderful, because I realized that I was able to understand, and that was because some parts of the book, I almost knew by heart. Yesterday my favourite character was Algernon, he was played very well and he was, like I had imagined, elegant, well dressed, I also like Cecily, very sweet, imaginative and expressive.

I really enjoyed with every character in the play.

virginia intermed. 2ºB dijo...

Hi everybody:

The last Friday I went to see the play "The importance of being Earnes" in English, when we were waiting in the queue to enther the theatre everybody spoke English because it was a opportunity to see the play in Englis.

The performance was fantastic, the wardrobe was beautiful, I like all characters but my favourite characters are Lady Bracknell and Argenon, both were as I imaginated when I read the play. I am emotioned because I understood the play very well.

I hope to see the play next Friday in class

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

Hi fellows!!!
I was very excited by the play and it left nothing to be desired.
I disagree with you,I´m afraid. From my point of view, Cecily and Algy were the worst performance, she spoke in a too low voice and the latter made "strange movements" with his mouth making it difficult for me to follow him sometimes. Nevertheless, Gwendolen was relly good and her english accent was, for me, the best one.

Roberto dijo...

Belén, you are very welcome.

You do not have to give the cd back to me.

Regards!

Rebeca 4º B dijo...

Hello you all. I´m Rebeca, from AV1.
As most of you, I also attended the play last Sunday. It was a great opportunity for improving, and even for enjoying.

You´re lucky for having read the book before seeing the play, since I supposse it would be easier for you follow its dialogues than for us (I mean, the other ones who belong to our school, since, nearly the rest audience were native or bilingual!).

According to what I have just said, hadn´t you realised that we (students) were seeing an English play among a lot of English speakers, and the most important, that we were able to understand nearly everything? In my opinion, it is fantastic that we were reaching such a level. I never imagined I would be capable of understanding a play, and in live.

clara dijo...

I agree with you Rebeca, but as I had read the play before going to see it, I can't prove your theory, but I think that this year we're improve a lot our English level. I nearly understand the whole play, although there were some chunks I couldn't get.
I hope we can go to another English play as soon as possible, it's a good exercise for us to learn to understand what the others are saying.

Carmen dijo...

well, I think that the sentence about what women make of men they love is absolutely true, women do not take men as they are they figure them out!!! And then when they discover the truth tragedy comes!!!

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

I agree with you. Currently, I feel more confident than before of my english knowing I´m able to undestand most of a play or film.

I wonder why women cannot love men just as they really are, we always need something more trying to reaching a perfection whether it actually exists. We already talked about this in An Ideal Husband, remember?

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

The topic you are talking about, was one that more impact on me; why women´s play wanted something else than a man himself. The fact of being earnest was more attractive for them than anything else.

Despite not having read the novel yet, I thought undestand that its women were looking for an upper class husband, instead of a lovely one. Nevertheless, I belive they behaved in a clever way; love can disappear easier than money and social status.

clara dijo...

Men and women are very different. I'm not so sure, but I think that sometimes, for not saying always, a woman expects to find a man who is, thinks, behaves, in the same way that a woman does, and this is impossible. But we have common needs, such as money and possessions, and we can change these things for love.
Woman or men who are not in love with their partner can get married if they think they can have a good life together. This is not a thing that only happened centuries ago. It also happens nowadays, and more often than we believe.

Carmen dijo...

Clara, I agree with what you have just said, it is so unfair not to have the opportunity of a good education, and our basic needs covered and to come into the world in thos world in this sitaution!!! I think that people that leave the gutter are real heroes!! Society has to fight to solve this, which it hasn´t so far.

María. Intermediate-2 B dijo...

I belive that everyone have the oportuniti of chosing the ideal person for him otherwise is that every of us chose the best for him and in every case depend on what do you prefer, if you are looking for love of if you are looking for a confortable life, what is the question?

Belén (Int 2 B) dijo...

But María, Why do you believe it´s impossible to have both love and comfort?

María. Intermediate.2 - B dijo...

Oh no, I believe that both of them are posible but it seems to me that the book only give importance to another thing, for instance money, or being born in a good family, upper class, but never talk about love, for this reason I have only talked about two things, love or confort

María. Intermediate.2 B dijo...

Today we have seen the film, The Importance, and as always I have enjoyed, not only because every day I am able to understand a little more, if no because the actors have been very good. I had seen another version in my computer but this one seems to me better that the first I saw.

Rebeca 4ºB dijo...

According to Maria´s comment, I belive that, on those days, people thought about surviving in an economic way, and specially women. We should understand that real happiness has not always been as it is nowadays, or at least as we understand it now. As a result, women tried to find an important and rich husband, and as the play says, the better if he were called Earnest!

maría 5ºB dijo...

Clara and Belen, if you are reading this, go to the Film Club.

Anónimo dijo...

Hy everybody!
We finished the course. I'm happy but I'll miss my class on Monday and Wednesday with the learners and teacher.
I'm writing just to tell you: Thanks for everything.
I've been very happy this year with each other people. I've been very happy with my teacher. I feel I've improved my English. Thank you very much, Cristina.
I don't know the result of my exam, anyway, I'm happy.
See you next September or...next year!! Who knows??-)
Azu.

Cristina dijo...

I´m glad you´ve enjoyed the lessons,Azu,you have certainly improved your English and I´m sure you will carry on learning as you are a motivated student.
I´ll also miss you all and hope to see you next course.
I wish you all the best for the summer.

SOSIAS dijo...

Well, thanks for everything Carmen, it has been a great course and

HAPPY SUMMER EVERYBODY!!!

Rosa Intermediate dijo...

Good morning.

I have read the two plays by Oscar Wilde, An Ideal Husband and The Importance of Being Earnest. I didn´t like them very much, because the things concerning posh fancy girls and litle cute gentelmen at the Edwardian Era doesn´t have much to do with me, and, I think, with the problems or thoughts of people of our days. I prefer The Merchant of Venice, beacuse I think it´s about more universal topics. I find more interesting works about people that have to fight against their destinies, or that have to preserve their lives. But it worths to read Wilde´s plays, because they are plenty of ingenious sentences and they are very well written.

Juan NI2 C dijo...

Hi,this is the video that I've talked about. Are you a good watcher?

Juan NI2 C dijo...

Sorry here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5O3DYjZ_IE

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