19 de febrero de 2008

Extracts from "King Lear"

CORDELIA (Act 1 Scene 2)
Good my lord,
You have begot me, bred me, loved me: I
Return those duties back as are right fit,
Obey you, love you, and most honour you.
Why have my sisters husbands, if they say
They love you all? Haply, when I shall wed,
That lord whose hand must take my plight shall carry
Half my love with him, half my care and duty:
Sure, I shall never marry like my sisters,
To love my father all.
KING LEAR
But goes thy heart with this?
CORDELIA
Ay, good my lord.
KING LEAR
So young, and so untender?
CORDELIA
So young, my lord, and true.
KING LEAR
…………………….I am a man
More sinn'd against than sinning.
FOOL (Act 1 Scene 4)
Have more than thou showest,
Speak less than thou knowest,
Lend less than thou owest
KING LEAR
How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is
To have a thankless child!

Is 't not the king? ( Act 4 scene 6)
KING LEAR
Ay, every inch a king:
When I do stare, see how the subject quakes.
I pardon that man's life. What was thy cause? Adultery?
Thou shalt not die: die for adultery! No:
The wren goes to 't, and the small gilded fly
Does lecher in my sight.
Let copulation thrive; for Gloucester's bastard son
Was kinder to his father than my daughters
Got 'tween the lawful sheets
KING LEAR (Act 4 scene 6)
When we are born, we cry that we are come
To this great stage of fools:

CORDELIA (Act 5 Scene 3)We are not the first
Who, with best meaning, have incurr'd the worst.

KING LEAR (Act 5 Scene 3)
……………………………….. Her voice was ever soft,
Gentle, and low, an excellent thing in woman.
KING LEAR (Act 5 Scene 3)
And my poor fool is hang'd! No, no, no life!
Why should a dog, a horse, a rat, have life,
And thou no breath at all? Thou'lt come no more,
Never, never, never, never, never!
ALBANY (Act 5 Scene 3)
The weight of this sad time we must obey;
Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say.
The oldest hath borne most: we that are young
Shall never see so much, nor live so long.

129 comentarios:

carmen dijo...

Here you have some very famous speeches from the play we are going to see in April. What do you think? How do you like them? Post your comments!

marta dijo...

The quotes are wonderful, what do you think of them 5ths?
I love the one of
"so young and so untender?
so young my lord and true"
what is the meaning of these words? we´ll have to see in the play. The truth of what the play reveals is there for you to see. It is a masterpiece so we´ll all have to go. And I´d love to see your comments here, night night

Paloma dijo...

Hello! I think I’ve been done something really dreadful. When I’ve read the post, after our conversation in class, I’ve felt a great desire of reading the play. I must confess you that I’ve done it but, sorry, in Spanish. It’s a sin, I know, but I wanted to appreciate it, not in its poetry, but in its plot and characters. I’ve tried to do it in Shakespeare’s language but I haven’t been able. You know. Although I usually make a great effort, I’ve only been studying English for three and a half years and before that I didn’t know a single word in it. So I haven’t got a big vocabulary, not only in difficult words, but also in the common ones. Most of you in the School of Languages have been learning English for many years, and, have even been in England or the USA practising, so you have a facility and knowledge that I don’t definitely have. I still need to read many many books to get the necessary level and self confidence. For me this year is being a great opportunity to learn and improve, but it takes me a lot of time and effort, and, sometimes, the results are not according with the time inverted and I feel tired and depress. I don’t know why I’m telling you this; perhaps this is one of those moments. Honestly many times I feel envy of you. I spend many hours writing a composition and get a poor mark and make a lot of mistakes, and many of you are doing a degree or working hard and in consequence have very little time to write your compositions, and you do it very well, and speak very fluently in class and with great vocabulary and I lost all my self confidence. I admire you and envy you. For me this is a big issue (as Carmen usually says).
In short,I read King Lear in Spanish because I don’t think I hadn’t been able to understand it well enough in English.
Pd – most of you are very lucky people, you are young and with a great facility to learn things and you know quite English. I’m not young at all, furthermore, as you know, I’m a mother and I’m used to give advice, so here is a piece: please don’t miss this opportunity. The world is full of people that know very little about almost everything, but knowledge is power and improvement and you can be leaders. The world needs leaders, it is full of lambs.

Carmen dijo...

A most wonderful piece of advice which................ nobody will heed!!!!! I´d like this to be false but it isn´t; I´ve spent half my life saying this and people just think "here we go again, what a bore!" However, it´s worth trying.
Do not, on any account, get down when you think of your English. It is quite a feat to be doing what you are doing in three years only and considering that you come from that nightmare which is "Das English"!! You can interact as well as most people, you have read a 19th century novel, poetry and some Shakespeare, and have written many essays, "What more can one desire?". Well done, be happy and keep up the work.

Roberto 4ºb dijo...

Hello Carmen and Paloma. In my case, I always try to do my best concerning with English language. I will keep going till I master the language. It maybe takes me many years to do it but I don’t mind at all. I am a little beat jealous of Carmen because I would have wished to have the opportunity of studying in England. I hope someday I am able to speak like she does.

It’s a pity I can not attend today’s class, I am sure that the discussion about the extracts posted by Carmen is to be quite interesting. I enjoyed a lot the time when we analyzed the poem written by Wordsworth.

This weekend I will try to read carefully these extracts of King Lear’s and post my thoughts.

Finally, I want to express that the lecture of Woman in White was a very stimulating one, though, It would have been interesting if we had talked about the role played by Mr. Ferlie or The Countess.

María Luisa dijo...

¡Hello friends!

At her lecture, the Dra Duran, did a reflection about the symbolism of the names in the novel, The Woman In White. Perhaps we can do a little exercise with the names of some characters of The King Lear. For example, Cordelia. I have read that it could be derived from Latin, and “cor” as heart with “delia” as an anagram of “ideal” and, too, it could have the meaning of “coeur de lion” as a heart of a lion.
At this point, we can go to our novel and see Walter Hartwrigth as “cor-ideal”, the temperate, right and loyal man, and do the same with Marian Halcombe as “Coeur de lion”, the strong, fearless, and courageous woman.
Marian and Walter: two harts to serve Laura’s cause. At the other hand, Cordelia, as “cor-ideal” and “heart of a lion”, to defend her father’s cause.

Have a good weekend. Bye

María Luisa (4ºC)

María Luisa dijo...

Mistake!!!! Sorry: King Lear instead of The King Lear.

Bye
María Luisa

Roberto 4ºb dijo...

By reading the first extract from The King Lear, my opinion concering the subject is that Cordelia wants his father to see she really loves him and always will do it. The King answered she is young but mature and Cordelia merely shows herself as a person saying the truth.

I have hardly understood the second one, but I have enjoyed with the third a lot. It is a very beautiful way of expressing feelings to someone you love and who is not by your side any more.

I would like Carmen spent a little time tomorrow speaking about this extract and their meaning because I couldn’t assist to the last class. Would you do me that favour, please?

The Bandit dijo...

After studying in class this extract from King Lear, I just can say I´m impatient to go to the theatre and there enjoy with the whole play. In spite of being written at the beginning of the seventeen century, it´s about a current affair. Don´t you think so?. Then, what happen with the elderly in our selfish society?. After being useful during 30, 40 or even 50 years, when the society can´t take advantage of you, when you aren´t capable of producing what society expects you to produce and you begin demanding attentions in the last part of your life, then you are a problem and problems must be leave aside. That happens to King Lear. Having shared out his wealth between his daughters, he becomes a problem and he is rejected by them (except for Cordelia). It is trendy, isn´t it?.

Paloma 4º G dijo...

I don’t know what to say after Bandit’s comment. He has said what I was going to say and, by the way, in a very good manner. I’m looking forward seeing the play. But…! To a certain extent I disagree with you. King Lear behaves horribly with Cordelia. He is superficial, selfish and very little realistic pretending to be the only love of his daughters. And WY? Not because he has been a very good father or something similar, but for the reason he has given them his realm. Is he buying her love? This is a very real problem at present, and a mistake that many parents make: you can’t buy love; you have to win it with a great effort, during a very long time, with a lot of suffering and sacrifices and, most important, with a great deal of patience. And, you have to be disposed to share it not only with another person or other people, but also with jobs, hobbies, pets, etc. Being always selfish, love have to try to be generous. If you, as a father or mother haven’t got this kind of love: generous, open handed, selfless etc. then you are King Lear. A good television, The Play Station, Disney World and so on, aren’t love. They can be a compliment but they can’t replace the true love. Your children need your time, a listening ear, your being with them…not your money paying for your absence. We are sowing the wind…

paloma con insomnio corrigiedo errores dijo...

Son las tres y media de la madrugad, tengo imsomnio y aunque estoy agotada no me puedo dormir. dando vueltas a la cabeza, esas que se dan cuando quieres dormir y no puedes y la cabeza parece una batidora, me he dado cuenta de que he puesto una falta en el post anterior:tour children need A, B, your being with them. creo que esto último está mal.Need rige to infinitive y por tanto creo que debería ser:need you to be with them ¿no?. ¿ Y que pasa con "not your money paying for your absence" ¿es correcto?¿o debería decirse "not your money to pay for your absence"? Yo creo que es esto segundo ¿verdad?(pero me parece que queda más bonito con "gerunds" aunque estémal.
y ahora ¿como hago yo para dormirme?.Son las 4 menos 1/4 y a las 7 hay que levantarse ¡y mañana hay clase!

marta dijo...

Paloma you aaaaaaaaaaaaaaare wonderful, what would we do in the blog without you! Whenever I go into it and you are there it is such fun to read what you say and to look for your comments. So please fail 4th,don´t sit the exam I mean you don´t have to! we need you at least two more years with us,you are going to kill me!

Carmen dijo...

Paloma I´m afraid money can buy love!!! All the rich are married!! Real love very often gives way to money position connections; do you remember what Iñaki Urdangarín did with his girl-friend? Dropped her and married the Infanta. What happened with Dña. Letizia´s ideas and ideals? Where is Bruni now? When parents divorce children always stay, if they can, with ....the parent who has more love?,no sorry, with the one who has more MONEY!
After "need" inf and the last sentence with the Gerund is correct.
Thanks for sharing so many things with us. You are wonderful, your husband is a lucky man, does he see it or is he to busy with "hearts"?

Carmen dijo...

Roberto, You can come to my classes next Friday and do the poems with either of the two groups. At 2 or at 4 p.m.
We will talk about Mr. Failie and the Countess as much as you like...but you start, you are always in a hurry now!
You have not studied in England, but you have somehow met me and though it´s not the same, I know, at least you´ve seen a bit of how beautiful this language is, you have improved a vast deal, particularly considering your very "low" linguistical origins!!and now you can chatter in English and do not need Louis to communicate with me!!!!

Anónimo dijo...

Maria Luisa, you´ve hit the nail on the head with the Cordelia´s name. very interesting

carmen dijo...

The previous post was mine too.
Bandit, I´m glad you´ve liked the extracts. i agree with you that it is horrible to treat our old in the way we are doing. When you marry your girlfriend (if ever you do...!) and have children teach them to love and respect their grandparents, even if it is not fun.We live in an age where all that is important is what we have, what we get and not what we give...and we are not very happy for all this either!! we are going to need lots of drugs before death to be able to put up with the act of dying.

Paloma dijo...

Carmen in my last post I was speaking mainly about love between parents and children. In my opinion you can’t buy love but interest. I don’t know what happened in Urdangarin’s heart and I’m also asking myself what happened with the “ideas” in Letizia’s mind, perhaps they are still there, Who knows?. I don’t think Mrs. Bruni was deeply in love with the man but with the power. I’ve been a daughter for more than 49 years and I know perfectly well how selfish the love from children to their parents can be.
Moreover, I’m also been a mother for nearly 24 years and, believe me, I’ve learnt something about children’s needs. They can be very selfish, and choose the money (in a divorce), but when they are grown up, as Lear’s daughters are, they don’t have true love in their hearts. On the contrary, although this was their own decision, they are full of resentment, not only against the father or mother that having the money didn’t give them enough love, but also against themselves because of their wrong election. And, as nobody can admit that, they blame the poor father or mother for having let their doing things as they did. Do you understand what I meant? Parents are usually blamed by our children for almost everything which is wrong in their life or for the things they do bad. That’s why is so difficult to be a mother or a father, you usually makes your best, but you “always” make mistakes. Sorry Carmen, I disagree with you, money is not enough, for the simple reason that nothing is enough.

A mate of Alberto dijo...

Thank you Alberto. You have been very useful today after our class. You have given me the clues about my dougther feelings. As usual you were right. Everything is right now and I know something very important about her. I'm very grateful to you.

The Bandit dijo...

Hi, mate. I´m shocked with your comment. I´m very glad that my humble point of view to be so useful to you. Maybe because I´m younger than you and, overall, because I´m not father yet, I can understand your daughter´s way of thinking and behaving. I told you this morning: being a good father/mother is the most difficult thing in the world. On the one hand, sometimes you are full of doubts or maybe you don´t know how to behave in certain situations or how to face a problem. On the other hand, you have to be the model to your children, you have to give them some advices about how to sort a problem out, you have to show them the right values and the right standards. And the most important point, there isn´t any book about how to be a perfect father/mother!!!. (silly me!). Anyway, I´m very happy for both of you. I hope your relationship to be stronger after that argument.
See you soon!

Mercedes dijo...

Hello everybody, at last my pc works and I can write a comment about the extracts from "King Lear", we can realize that the play that we'll see next april will be a very good one. I enjoyed very much reading the extracts. The sentence I liked most is "How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is To have a thankless child!". King Lear as many of us that we are parents shows the desperation or powerlessness that we feel sometimes with some attitudes of our children and at the end King Lear shows us again the terrible deseperation that he feels looking his daughter's body dead and say, never, never, and repeat this word several times. It's really very emotional. Sorry about the mistakes. Mercedes.

Asun 5ºA dijo...

These extracts, from “King Lear”, show us two completely different behaviours, from my point of view. On one hand, we can see in Cordelia’s statements a very honest, because she is trying to prove her sincere love to her father, in contrast with her sisters superficial one. On the other hand, we find an ungrateful and selfish father that doesn’t trust his daughter love.
However, at the end there is an evolution in the King when he feels absolutely unhappy because he realizes how important Cordelia was in his life. In my opinion, this King Lear’s attitude is very common in human being, I mean that in many occasions we actually didn’t realize how we love or appreciate a person until we lost him. But the worst point of it is that when we had that person with us we didn’t demonstrate him our feelings and after is too late.

amaya 5ºA dijo...

I haven´t read “King Lear” but I have been reading your comments, the extract from the blog and some articles on internet for having an idea. Of course, I know that it is a superficial idea because it is a masterpiece and reading a summary is a terrible mistake.
In my opinion it would be better to read the novel first, watching the theatre second and doing the essay at the end, with clear ideas.
I know this is sometimes impossible because of the little time to read or for going to the theatre that we have.
But it is true that now, when we go to the theatre, we will enjoy more the play because we already know the characters.
In my opinion, the main topic of the work, relationships between a father and his daughters is a very good topic because it is always on fashion and everyone can identifies himself with some of the characters. Although not everyone is father everyone has parents and that is the only thing in your life that you can´t choose (I was comparing my father with King Lear and I am very grateful because he is everything opposite to him)
Indeed, I think King Lear is the anti-father! He is selfish, inmature and superficial because he can´t see the real feelings and it is easy cheat him with beautiful words.
He is the kind of father who is creating remorses in his daughters when they are not with him… and in the top of all his “virtues” he is also fearful for his advanced age and being alone.
I hope that he is better person than I imagine him rigth now.
I am also anxious for reading or hearing the brilliant comments of the Fool!

Ana dijo...

After having reading the extract of King Lear my first though has been to consider the importance of being conscious of our feelings before it will be too later. When the leaving of a loved person is forever, we always regret the great number of lost opportunities of saying to this person how much we loved him/her, how importance for us this person is. In this scene of the play, Shakespeare, as a very good knowledgeable writer of human nature with its virtues and faults, shows us to the King Lear not as a powerful King but as a desolate father who has been aware of the love of his daughter after her death. It was so late

Silvia dijo...

Silvia (5º)
This is my first time here, in the blog and I have to tell you that you are working really hard!!! And I´ve have a look at the video and you are wonderful.

Related to "King Lear", I have just read the extracts given by Marta at class, so I don´t have the knowledge of the complete play.
In my opinion, Shakespeare touches in these extracts several universal issues; problems between parents and children, how the youth makes us say things that we modify as the time passes, male chauvinism, the dispair when facing with the death.

My favourite sentences is “ Speak less than thou knowest”;in my opinion this goes directly to spanish readers as I think we always have an opinion about any matter, when, most of the times we don´t have any idea about the matter treated. We just repeat what we have been told, we repeat topics.

Once again I find in Shakespeare a philosopher, a great connoisseur of the human being. I was surprised when I read Hamlet, a book full of lessons of live. If recommend it to everyone how hasn´t read it yet.

Emi - 5th A dijo...

Emi (5th A)
After reading these pieces of the play “King Lear” I would like to focus on human selfishness.
We live in modern world where we must show ourselves as competitive people. This attitude makes us not think about anyone else and this is the reason why we leave our elderly people to lonely places because we do not have enough time to be with them. In addition, as soon as the elder people died some of their heirs try to get as much as possible, instead of rallying around the family which is what all creates do when there is a dangerous situation or an outside threat. Our world is changing and we take part in this transformation, in fact, we are the agent of that transformation.
We should be awareness about what we are doing because we gather what we sowed.
As always Shakespeare hits the nail on its head.

María 5ºA dijo...

Hi everybody!

First of all, I would like to ask a question to “the fabulous Peredo’s sisters”: how do you feel about arousing such an interest in Shakespeare’s work? It should be a comforting reward for your work!
As far as King Lear is concerned, I think we are judging the King in a very strict way; It is not so unusual to misjudge someone’s real intentions, even if the involved persons are your own daughters. In my opinion, that’s the origin of the tragedy, King Lear did not value in a correct way his daughters’ words and intentions, so that his misjudgement let the whole family to death. Is there any worse punishment?

Maria
5ºA

ELENA MARTÍNEZ dijo...

I have already seen the play and I assure you that you will like it very much, but I don´t want to tell anything about it....It is incredible what a person can say without feeling it in order to reach his objectives, and the person who tells the truth and really loves her father is rejected by him for saying it.

ELENA MARTÍNEZ 4º A

alicia dijo...

From these extracts of Shakespeare´s play we can take out some conclusions and very practical lessons in life.
In the first one, Cordelia is explaining her father how much love she professes to him. She is full of feelings but a woman of few words.
Going on reading we see King Liar does not attach great importance to adultery and bastards son.For him lawful descendants are not so important as being loved and cared by his own daughters.
Ending the last extract King Liar regrets Cordelia´s death, now he notices that Cordelia was the person that really loved him.
So,in my opinion,Shakespeare, as an excelent knowledgeable of the human behaviours and human soul, tried to teach us that we should be able of notice what our dear people do for us day by day and no to waste the opportunities life give us to tell our close people what we feel for them.

Roberto 4ºb dijo...

My point of view related with relations between parents and sons is the following one:
On the one hand, not only have our parents brought us up but also they love us and suffer when we do. Troubles come when we get older and decide to leave their protection and home. Feeling low, they think their life goes with us and there’s no future for them. Concerning the sons, we love our parents but many times don’t appreciate the time we can pass beside them while they are still alive; we are only interested in ourselves.

Carmen dijo...

I´ve been reading your wonderful quotes and want to answer María first: I, personally, feel most happy to think that you are interested in Shakespeare and read Silvia´s recommendation concerning Hamlet. We should all read the main tragedies and some of the commedies. Now you sre learning and walking the difficult path of life; It is now that you need Shakespeare not when you have retired!!!
I would like to lear up something; Lear´s "Never.... is dellivered at the death of his Fool, not of Cordelia! The Fool was always loyal to him.
Roberto, as usual you are quite clear sighted and have admitted thus much; now that you have identified the problem mending it may be another matter!
Amaya, I have to say something about your post, Lear was not selfish in the sense that he gave all he had, his kingdom, his power, and everything that goes with it, to his daughters. He was, however blind to his children which is a common mistakes Parents make with their children. Favourites never displease parents, never argue with them so those chldren who do are never jin their good books! Look around you and them go back to the play.

marta dijo...

Alicia I am glad you liked it and that you have told us about it. The play itself is very good but you never know what the director is going to do with it. It is reassuring to read your comment

Anónimo dijo...

I've seen King Lear some years ago in italian. Then I bought an english-italian edition which I'm reading with pleasure now. I remember I tried it in those days but it was too hard to me to read it in english. So, thank you to Carmen and Marta for making it possible. I actually agree to someone who told it in this blog: openining the path to Shakespeare is the most valuable thing an english teacher can aspire. But I disagree with Carmen: I think the more you have lived, the best you can enjoy Shakespeare. Cordelia has touched me now. Bye.Carmen.

marta dijo...

María we are delighted to arouse such interest! but we do because you respond to the call, so we form a team: we give you food for thought and you "eat". A very good comment, the king´s blindness to the true feelings and characters of his daughters led them to the tragedy

maría 4º dijo...

I feel sorry for Lear, because he had everything (sons and people who loved and obeyed him, at least he thought it) and then, suddenly, he lost it, which of course made him go mad. This is the worst tragedy for a man, and more for a king.

Raquel 4º C dijo...

I think many times parents are responsible for their children's behaviour, they are the ones who have to bring them up. On the contrary, we find so frequently that they let them do whatever they want provided that they do not disturb them. Thus, sometimes we are creating tyrants, people who take everything for granted, making no effort to deserve what they have. That's what happen to King Lear.

Carmen dijo...

Yes, it is horrible to have and lose, worse that not to have at all!
Lear´s problem was lack of insight to see into the nature of the human beings that surround him. This want is often present in powerful people who, being flattered every day, every hour, every minute, become incapable of discernment between reality and disguise and confuse nice wods with truth. From this point they evolve to considering that nice words are transmitted by friends and criticism comes from enemies. When they reach this point they are lost. Lear had no chance, when he wants to go back he finds, which is frequently the case in real life too, that it is too late.

Carmen dijo...

Yes, it is horrible to have and lose, worse that not to have at all!
Lear´s problem was lack of insight to see into the nature of the human beings that surround him. This want is often present in powerful people who, being flattered every day, every hour, every minute, become incapable of discernment between reality and disguise and confuse nice wods with truth. From this point they evolve to considering that nice words are transmitted by friends and criticism comes from enemies. When they reach this point they are lost. Lear had no chance, when he wants to go back he finds, which is frequently the case in real life too, that it is too late.

Carmen dijo...

listen to the wonderful Lear Olivier performs in the YouTube section. There are 5 scenes from the play and you have the final scene with Cordelia dead and those five "nevers".
Thsnks, Michellle

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